~VET~ Extraordinaire~
I dont get how they can challange back ground checks and some of the other provisions.Originally Posted by dan68131
And as for a ban on clips and types of weapons it has already been done. Unless there is something completely different there is already presidnet from the previous law.
They keep claiming all the people that have signed up since the school shooting, but reportedly alot of people have also canceled their memberships since they heard the NRA's response to it
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Anything can be challenged. Even the existing laws are out of whack. What are your thoughts about a felon owning a gun?
~VET~ Extraordinaire~
Honestly depends on what the felony was. But if its an all or nothing thing i say they dont get a gun.
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aka "JOB"
What would be an example of a felony someone was convicted of where you think they SHOULD own a gun?
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Sure... anything that is not a crime of violence, crime against children, crimes using force or threats, etc.
If you bounce a check for $200.00 or more in most states; that's a felony. So... because you're a dumb ass that can't balance your check book you don't have the right to protect yourself? How about speeding 25+ over the speed limit? That's called Wreckless Endangerment in IL and a felony. I can't have a gun because I got caught doing 80 in a 55 on the freeway?
And my point in the original question is not to argue which felons should be allowed to own a gun; its to show that the laws are outdated with the times. 10 years ago you could piss on the side of a building and not care. Today you get caught pissing on the side of a building your a sex offender. The laws about "felons" owning firearms is a small piece of a bigger problem; federal gun laws don't jive with state gun laws on many levels and the gun laws are outdated.
Last edited by dan991; 01-22-2013 at 11:28 PM.
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This is a simple answer. When a felon is released from prison and not on parole/probation, their debt to society is paid for. If they're still a danger to us, then what are we doing letting them out of prison? So my answer is they should be able to have a gun just like a non-felon should be able to.
Mind you guys, I'm not pro-gun. I'm pro-getting-rid-of bullshit legislation.
Last edited by Honkey_Kong; 01-23-2013 at 02:40 AM.
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I respectfully disagree. If you commit a serious enough crime to be considered a felony and are convicted part of your punishment is the jail time / probation, the other part is you forfeit your rights to vote and carry a gun for life.
Anabolic Member
So again... you're saying that if you get caught doing 25 mph over the speed limit you should lose your right to vote and own a firearm? A "felony" has nothing to do with how serious a crime is. Anything that has a possible sentence of 366 days in jail or more is a felony. The possession of anabolic steroids is a felony.... and there are a lot of trivial crimes that are felonies. Nobody is saying give someone who just got of prison for manslaughter a gun, or someone who's been locked up for armed robbery. BUT... the law says "all felonies" are an exclusion.
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Felonies are felonies for a reason... It is USUALLY a pretty major crime. Some, I agree may be trivial such as small possesion of CERTAIN drugs. Others are major... I think people who are convicted of rape, murder or child molestation should have a bullet put in between his eyes as soon as he is convicted. It would save us tax dollars and get rid of a piece of shit on this earth! 25MPH over the speed limit ain't a felony. it is a major traffic violation. Also, if you are a convicted felon you are allowed to get your right to vote/bear arms back depending on the state you live in. It can be a long and arduous process, but it does and can happen.
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In the state of IL... speeding 25 over is wreckless endangerment; a felony punishable by up to 5 years in prison. Do you find bouncing a check for $200.00 a "major crime"? Its a felony in most state and they do in fact enforce it. Reality is that there are a lot of PETTY crimes that are felonies; none which should remove a citizens right to bear arms.
The problem with "some states" being where your rights get restored is that the feds do NOT see it that way. Once you are convicted of a felony per Federal Law you are not legally allowed to own a firearm regardless of what the state does with your rights. The fact that most states use the FBI NCIC instant check system at gun sale points means that a convicted felon cannot purchase a firearm because the fed system will tell the dealer to deny the sale. So, the state may say yes but the feds say no. Which is it? THAT is where the gun laws must be re-written at the federal level otherwise the citizen is the one that's gonna ultimately pay the consequences.
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Whaaaaaaa?! I totally disagree with that. If a murderer is released from prison and not on probation he is still and always will be a murderer. Just because he spends time in prison does not mean he comes out a rehabilitated person. Prison has quite the opposite effect on people. Over half of prison populations end up back in jail/prison within a year of them getting out. Prison may rehabilitate a few but not the majority.
aka "JOB"
Keep in mind the Heller decision passed down by the current Supreme Court about 4 years ago may stop the same thing from happening that did during the Brady bill!
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On the felon owning a gun thing....if you've paid your time and are deemed a citizen again and have proven yourself a trustworthy citizen you should have the right to own a gun. You were denied for rights when punished, you should not be denied them once punishment is over. The exception would be putting guns in the hands of murders and rapist and things of that nature...you know, people who shouldn't get out of prison in the first place. Non-violent criminals, there's no need to ban them from their rights once they've paid their time, doing so is actually ridiculous.
aka "JOB"
Losing the right to own firearms for life is part of the punishment..it doesn't end when you walk out of the prison door. There are procedures where one can apply to get their rights restored. It's not easy or cheap!
Anabolic Member
So.. what your saying is that if you possess enough Tren and get caught with it you don't have the right to protect yourself or family with a firearm?
~VET~ Extraordinaire~
a dwi could be a felony. as an example
I do agree with this but there should be a time period after there punishment is over before they could again. Just because someone did the time in jail or prison doesnt mean they changed. I think they have to earn the right again by proving they can be responsible and not get in trouble over a period of time.
If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong
aka "JOB"
This state it takes a 3rd offense t be a felony...**** em if they are that dumb. They obviousy have an alcohol problem and by all rights shouldnt have a gun anyhow!
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Wrong, you can be charged with a felony DUI on your first offense. All you have to do for that is cause damage to property or another person and your first offense just became a felony. Hit a parked car and your done regardless of how much damage you even did. You could love tap it at 2 mph and not leave a scratch but its still a felony. Happened to a friend of mine at 19 years old. He got drunk and hit a parked car at like 5 mph on the side of the street. Cops showed up (he called in the accident), he blew over 0.08 and was charged with a felony DUI on his first offense.
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That's why I said "proven yourself a trustworthy citizen."
I do wonder how many guys on here have ever thought or considered that if they are ever arrested for their steroid use there is a very good chance they will have a felony charge against them and lose rights like gun ownership. Everyone thinks it's unlikely but it happens all the time...I don't know how many guys I've known over the years get into gear related trouble and it is so easy for personal use that you might think is merely a misdemeanor to turn into a felony if the court desires....very, very easy. Anyway, by law that guy will never own a gun again, never....even if he never took from anyone or hurt a soul, he will never own a gun and be allowed to protect himself or his family. He will have to rely on "first responders" who are great when you need someone in thirty minutes or so but pretty useless in the heat of the moment.
aka "JOB"
Alll action comes with consaquences! If you do the crime and all that jazz! Law is clear and everyone knows it...Felons can't own gund! Just don't become a felon if you care about gun ownership!
Knowledgeable Member
I understand and I'm not disagreeing with what you said. But a law does not make something just, that is not how justice and rights are defined. One of my favorite quotes of all time "An unjust law is no law" St. Augustine.
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I couldnt have said it any better Metalject. This is exactly my feelings. Those idiots should never be able to see the light of day again. And while I am at it, they should be on death row. Not the long drawn out 10-15 years of us suppling the money to keep them, but "found guily, scheduled to die today at 3.30pm". There are sickos out there who have raped little prepubescent girl(s) and are out walking the streets getting government handouts until they are on their feet. I am ranting, and I am sorry. But the people you described need doen to them what this country did in the 1800s and early 1900s and taken out to town square, and dropped by thier necks during a scheduled excecution. That would deter some more than likely. Once again, I got fired up and I am sorry. You guys want my opinions on gun laws? I think we can all agree on my stance, unless you are just against guns.
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