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    Quote Originally Posted by warmouth View Post
    Atomini, sorry, I didnt read as far down as your references before I posted. I just saw the comment on my way down and pulled the trigger because I remembered what you told me about it months ago. Sorry about that.
    Not a problem at all. Just to clarify you post to jimmy, I want to add that TUDCA/UDCA where cholesterol profiles are concerned is one of those fine-line double-edged swords. For the most part, it has been shown to improve cholesterol profiles. However, when utilized for too long, it can shift them into the negative. I don't think dose is an issue unless venturing VERY high with it, so 500 - 1,000mg weekly should be fine but I wouldn't go any higher than that and I wouldn't run it for more than 8 weeks at a time.

    I do remember your bloodwork that we looked over from several months back, and you have to remember that your cholesterol values were out of whack for a few different reasons, not just TUDCA/UDCA use. I remember the primary issue with you was that you were utilizing Hydrocodone that also contained acetominophen (tylenol) in it, which was causing increased liver enzyme values in your bloodwork. You were confused because you thought that the use of TUDCA/UDCA would prevent that, but as I explained above, UDCA/TUDCA does not work for acetaminophen induced liver damage. Incidentally, the slightly elevated hepatotoxicity you were getting from the acetaminophen use was also likely contributing to your offset in cholesterol values. I don't think that your UDCA/TUDCA use had as much to do with your cholesterol values as you might have originally thought. I believe it was due to other factors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atomini View Post
    Not a problem at all. Just to clarify you post to jimmy, I want to add that TUDCA/UDCA where cholesterol profiles are concerned is one of those fine-line double-edged swords. For the most part, it has been shown to improve cholesterol profiles. However, when utilized for too long, it can shift them into the negative. I don't think dose is an issue unless venturing VERY high with it, so 500 - 1,000mg weekly should be fine but I wouldn't go any higher than that and I wouldn't run it for more than 8 weeks at a time.

    I do remember your bloodwork that we looked over from several months back, and you have to remember that your cholesterol values were out of whack for a few different reasons, not just TUDCA/UDCA use. I remember the primary issue with you was that you were utilizing Hydrocodone that also contained acetominophen (tylenol) in it, which was causing increased liver enzyme values in your bloodwork. You were confused because you thought that the use of TUDCA/UDCA would prevent that, but as I explained above, UDCA/TUDCA does not work for acetaminophen induced liver damage. Incidentally, the slightly elevated hepatotoxicity you were getting from the acetaminophen use was also likely contributing to your offset in cholesterol values. I don't think that your UDCA/TUDCA use had as much to do with your cholesterol values as you might have originally thought. I believe it was due to other factors.
    Ah, I remember well. I know you are very knowledgeable with this subject, but I remembered what you told me. I didnt see your post, as I had not made it that far down. I figured if I was wrong that you would correct it.

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