Turning 30.....1st bike ride

[bp2000]

Yes! Thank you smurf I forgot to add that i have been getting routine BW done every year since i turned 25. I'm scheduled to go in for another check up in a few weeks.

What was your t levels 25-30? Just curious I am around same age and noticed my T level dropped slightly starting around 28.


I wouldnt go longer than 10-12 weeks with T. The longer your shutdown the harder it is for PCT. And would definately not do Deca at a young age. That compound is to be avoided unless your older or on TRT already JMO. When your young it's all about designing cycles for quick recovery. If it were me I would do a 10 week test cyp or 8-10 week test prop cycle. You can increase HCG Use the 15 days while waiting for test to clear. Maybe 600iu every 3 day's during that time. Also I would use your AI 25mg EOD not 12.5 EOD.

[bobdurden]

What was your t levels 25-30? Just curious I am around same age and noticed my T level dropped slightly starting around 28.

Funny you say that. My lowest number I've had was last year when i was 28. I dont have the papers in front of me but I know the total test values as they are saved on my computer. I know now that the important number is free test and I'm going to start figuring that information out. Anyways....
Age 25 = 636
Age 26 = 708
Age 27 = 670
Age 28 = 617

I'll let you guys know in about a month what my Age 29 number is.

[bp2000]

Funny you say that. My lowest number I've had was last year when i was 28. I dont have the papers in front of me but I know the total test values as they are saved on my computer. I know now that the important number is free test and I'm going to start figuring that information out. Anyways....
Age 25 = 636
Age 26 = 708
Age 27 = 670
Age 28 = 617

I'll let you guys know in about a month what my Age 29 number is.

Those number are solid. Ive seen guys that have high 600's and free test at the top of the range start doing cycles of Tren deca and other harsh compounds including longer cycles only to not be able to recover to the original numbers. So my advice is if you do decide to cycle keep it to 10 weeks max and use HCG and take AI at the start of the cycle as estrogen is 200x more supressive than test and keeping it in range the whole time is important for recovery.

[bobdurden]

Those number are solid. Ive seen guys that have high 600's and free test at the top of the range start doing cycles of Tren deca and other harsh compounds including longer cycles only to not be able to recover to the original numbers. So my advice is if you do decide to cycle keep it to 10 weeks max and use HCG and take AI at the start of the cycle as estrogen is 200x more supressive than test and keeping it in range the whole time is important for recovery.

BP, my biggest fear is going full tard and messing myself up for good. I'm certainly going to get my feet wet as some point but I want to be as cautious as possible and not dive right in. I've read enough research on test to know that at my dosage, the biggest fear is the effect of the ancillaries. If you guys have noticed my clomid and nolva doses are on the low side. I know it's already been suggested to front load these, but I'd still like to get some feedback from some of you other folks in regards to my PCT.

Thanks!

[bp2000]

BP, my biggest fear is going full tard and messing myself up for good. I'm certainly going to get my feet wet as some point but I want to be as cautious as possible and not dive right in. I've read enough research on test to know that at my dosage, the biggest fear is the effect of the ancillaries. If you guys have noticed my clomid and nolva doses are on the low side. I know it's already been suggested to front load these, but I'd still like to get some feedback from some of you other folks in regards to my PCT.

Thanks!

ok I understand fully what you are trying to accomplish that is why I am here to help. Most guys just don't listen. Duration is more important than dose. Moderate dose (400-500) and short duration is best. So 10 weeks at 500 is ok or even 10 weeks at 600. The duration here is more important because the only way you can mess up is to shut yourself down and not be able to restart. So we keep it 2 months which is good amount of time and then hit PCT correct. I like you are conservative on your PCT. Most guys take 100mg of Clomid which I think is way to much. Reason for this is Clomid can have side effects that can affect your vision. You can get tracers which obviously is not a good thing. So 50mg max and split that dose. Studies have shown test doubling or more with only 25mg. I would do 50mg the first week 25mg every 8 hours. Nolva I would do 40mg the first week or 2 weeks then down to 20. Shutdown is worse on day 7-15 of PCT. If you feel recovered after 2 weeks then lower your pct dose (25mg clomid, 20mg nolva) and continue that regime for another week or two.

[bobdurden]

ok I understand fully what you are trying to accomplish that is why I am here to help. Most guys just don't listen. Duration is more important than dose. Moderate dose (400-500) and short duration is best. So 10 weeks at 500 is ok or even 10 weeks at 600. The duration here is more important because the only way you can mess up is to shut yourself down and not be able to restart. So we keep it 2 months which is good amount of time and then hit PCT correct. I like you are conservative on your PCT. Most guys take 100mg of Clomid which I think is way to much. Reason for this is Clomid can have side effects that can affect your vision. You can get tracers which obviously is not a good thing. So 50mg max and split that dose. Studies have shown test doubling or more with only 25mg. I would do 50mg the first week 25mg every 8 hours. Nolva I would do 40mg the first week or 2 weeks then down to 20. Shutdown is worse on day 7-15 of PCT. If you feel recovered after 2 weeks then lower your pct dose (25mg clomid, 20mg nolva) and continue that regime for another week or two.

Awesome BP! Thank you for this.

[bobdurden]

Okay,
Well a few things have happened since my last post. First, I gave my Test C away as a gift to an old friend from the gym who was passing through town which I hadnt seen in years. I had an interesting talk with him about cycling and man is there a lot of speculation out there as to the proper way to run this stuff!

Anyways, since I had to re-up, instead of going back to buy more C, I bought twenty 250mg Test E amps made by Schering (that chit wasnt cheap ). Also, I had my blood drawn and should get the results back early next week.

I've just wrapped up my training and am deloading. End of the program I hit 295 for two reps on a slight incline bench, 6 clean wide grip pull-ups with two plates hanging and a 305 deadlift for 12 reps. In addition to hopefully adding 10-15lbs of lean mass, these will be my markers to beat in three months and I'm freakin' stoked If things go really well, maybe I'll post some videos.

So, in the meantime I've been killing myself from analysis paralysis. With the info provided by you gents and from doing a lot of reading on the forum, this is my new proposal for my first cycle.
Weeks 1-10 (days 1-70) 250mg Test E twice per week. Tues and Sat
Weeks 1-11 (days 1-77) Aromasin 25mg EOD <---Is this too much or too little? Should I run it into PCT?
Weeks 1-10 (days 1-70) HCG 250iu Twice per week. Mon and Fri
Weeks 11-12 (days 71, 74, 77, 80) HCG 600iu Every third day

Day 84 <-----14 days after last Test E pin Start PCT
Clomid
Week 1 50mg per day split in two 25mg doses
Week 2 25mg
Week 3 25mg
Week 4 25mg

Nolva
Week 1 40mg
Week 2 40mg
Week 3 20mg
Week 4 10mg

Well, how's it look?

Thanks for everything, guys!