The "money isn't an issue cycle"

[snowblowjoe]

So I'm looking to get the most quality lean muscle mass with the lowest amount of damage and side effects to myself.

If I can give a hgh hookup this is mute but I don't think that will happen so I begin to plot my next cycle..

Definitely starting with test prop then after week 2 switching to test e.

Also want to run anavar at 100mg a day along with winstrol at 100mg a day. If I do a 12 week cycle should I wait to start the anavar and winstrol with 5 weeks remaining?

My biggest question mark is to whether I should risk running tren e. This would be my 3rd time running it..

Should I just take a hit to the wallet and use primo instead of tren? I know primo is way more mild than tren but with the added effects of Winny, anavar, and test, would it be enough to keep and maintain solid gains?

[austinite]

Well if money is no object the your wallet wouldn't be taking "a hit".

Anyways...stats ?

[Turkish Juicer]

The best ''"money isn't an issue cycle" is Test of your choice + pharm grade Primobolan Depot that lasts for about 20 weeks.

I know for a fact there are several knowledgeable members like myself who have done this in the past and ended up with a demi-god like physique. I hope they chime in on this also.

A Primo + Test cycle will not get you huge like a Tren + Test or Deca + Test cycle would, but again, we are talking about quality gains, meaning mostly retainable lean muscle mass with crazy vasodilation also...

This cycle will cost you up the butt and you are guaranteed to turn into a human dart board with all the oil based heavy ester injections but it pays off... Do you see the physical composition on my avatar? That is Primo, my friend.

In addition, no one here with AAS knowledge and experience would possibly confirm your proposition of running Anavar at 100mg along with Winstrol at 100mg a day. You will potentially be in for many sides and unfavorable health effects even if you run these compounds for a limited period of time. Again, remind yourself that you are not a pro BB and should avoid schemes where risks outrun benefits. Again, there are people who run two nor19s and/or two DHTs in the same cycle and apparently do just fine but it is a gamble IMO.

[chuckt12345]

So I'm looking to get the most quality lean muscle mass with the lowest amount of damage and side effects to myself.

umm if thats your first sentence then you shouldnt be running all those compounds.

[binsser]

Primo and test prop great cycle ull need no more trust me lol

[snowblowjoe]

Semantics austinite!! =)

33 years old 6ft 215 body fat guessing at 11percent.
This will be 3rd cycle.

And to the dimwit that can't read a whole post, I'd be running more than test prop primo lmao

[snowblowjoe]

Binsser =the dimwit

[Turkish Juicer]

And to the dimwit that can't read a whole post, I'd be running more than test prop primo lmao

Of course you would want to run more more than Test and Primo since you have no idea what it means to be running 1000mg of Primo EW along with 500-750mg Test for at least 14 weeks.

At any rate, it would be an overkill as for a 3rd cycle.

Why not run a Test only cycle for 8 weeks and get it over with? Test Prop at the right dose for you will help you attain great results, without a doubt. Not to mention the comfort of avoiding multiple sides that come from stacking multiple compounds...

[panntastic]

Is it a typo or are you starting test e and prop at same time then dropping prop after 2 weeks or your doing 2 weeks of prop then starting test e?

[krugerr]

Is it a typo or are you starting test e and prop at same time then dropping prop after 2 weeks or your doing 2 weeks of prop then starting test e?

I was about to ask exactly this...

Why?!

[XxAndreaxX]

primobolan and anavar and propionate, and winstrol, all pharma.

[warmouth]

MAN! TJ has me "chomping at the bits" for some Primo. That is going to be used by me soon, no freaking doubt!

And OP, dont use winstrol and anavar together. 100mgs of either one will yield nice results. Dont do something that could be detrimental to your health just for a "little more". I use 50mgs of winstrol ED when I use it and have great results. I use anavar at 80mgs, great results. Not both together. Risk far outweigh the benefit, and the benefit wont be much better anyways.

[snowblowjoe]

Thanks for the insight, Turkish juicer!!

[snowblowjoe]

Would,, I have to run the other compounds for 20 weeks as well Turkish juicer?

[snowblowjoe]

Bump dis foo

[RA]

Its moot. Not mute. Spread the word.

[snowblowjoe]

I was going to start test prop for the first 2 weeks to hopefully get me feeling the effects a little faster and then dropping the prop and changing to test e so I don't turn into swiss cheese from all the pinning.

Turkish juice, do I really need that many mg of primo ew?

Maybe test and anvar would be better if this is the case. Should I add deca? That would be 2 19nors

[RA]

Whats your goal here? If your not going to run prop all the way through then do them together for 4 then drop it.

I was going to start test prop for the first 2 weeks to hopefully get me feeling the effects a little faster and then dropping the prop and changing to test e so I don't turn into swiss cheese from all the pinning.

Turkish juice, do I really need that many mg of primo ew?

Maybe test and anvar would be better if this is the case. Should I add deca? That would be 2 19nors

[>Good Luck<]

I was going to start test prop for the first 2 weeks to hopefully get me feeling the effects a little faster and then dropping the prop and changing to test e so I don't turn into swiss cheese from all the pinning.

Turkish juice, do I really need that many mg of primo ew?

Maybe test and anvar would be better if this is the case. Should I add deca? That would be 2 19nors

You need to run prop with the test e for the first 4 weeks. Choose your 2 days a week for the test e and start it first shot with 150mg prop. If you just transition from prop to enan, you will crash for 3-5 weeks between the transition.

Good luck

[RA]

You need to run prop with the test e for the first 4 weeks. Choose your 2 days a week for the test e and start it first shot with 150mg prop. If you just transition from prop to enan, you will crash for 3-5 weeks between the transition.

Good luck

[snowblowjoe]

Then I'll just run test e the whole time. Sounds like the better way to go.

My goals are to just get leaner and add lean muscle mass. Drop my body fat down from like 11-13 percent (educated guess), down to like 8 or 9 percent.

[>Good Luck<]

Then I'll just run test e the whole time. Sounds like the better way to go.

My goals are to just get leaner and add lean muscle mass. Drop my body fat down from like 11-13 percent (educated guess), down to like 8 or 9 percent.

Test 750 var 80 and clean diet(mind you i think you need to choose cut or "lean bulk") faster cardio and you'll be lean. Don't bother with Winny, it's more bad than good

[snowblowjoe]

That's a lot of test, no? I love anvar. I loved winny too. I want to 'cut'. I'm looking to get shredded brooooo lol

[Turkish Juicer]

@snowblowjoe: You won't get results from Primobolan unless you run it at a dose of at least 750mg EW, and that is not even a high dose for Primo, trust me. You don't have to stack it with more than 500mg of your choice of Testosterone since attention should be paid to the total amount of AAS you are using per week, not Test alone. 750mg Primobolan + 500mg Test = 1250mg total AAS EW.

As I have said before, Primo starts shining at about week 14. Between weeks 14-20, your physical composition is altered in such a drastic way that you start assuming it belongs not to you but to someone else you'd envy for having such demi-god like physique.

As for turning into a human dart board with a long & hard Primobolan + Test cycle, well, it is inevitable. If you have virgin muscles in rotation sites, good luck. If you are not good with needles, again, good luck. I always heated my Primo vials before injecting so it was bearable for me.

This cycle is not cost-effective by any means. You either need to live in Turkey or money shouldn't be an issue at all if you want to be able to afford a true Primo cycle. Another angle that deserves attention is that Primobolan Depot is one of the most counterfeit injectable AAS in the market for obvious reasons. I would never ever purchase it from black market unless I am somehow 100% sure what I am getting is legit.

[snowblowjoe]

I trust my source 100 percent. I use to be a heroin addict so I'm great with needles lol. Do I have to run the test the full 20 weeks as well though? Would you even bother running winny or anvar with the test and primo?

[snowblowjoe]

I can get 14 weeks for about 900 bucks. Not too shaby and still a hell of a lot cheaper than hgh

[snowblowjoe]

Bump

[Novyman]

Week 1 - 4
Monday - 150mg prop and 200mg of Test E
Thursday - 150mg prop and 200mg of Test E
(put the prop and test E in the same syringe)

Week 5 - 12
Monday - 200mg Test E
Thursday - 200mg Test E

Test E is a long acting ester and will take 4 weeks to start working, where Prop is short acting and will start working in about a week.

If you switch from prop to test E it'll take four weeks for that Test E to start working and you'll have stopped the prop...so youll have a four week drop in your Test levels. This is why you should run them together. Add in the winny the last four weeks along with the test E if you wish, it should cut you up nice as long as your diet is clean.

[Turkish Juicer]

I can get 14 weeks for about 900 bucks. Not too shaby and still a hell of a lot cheaper than hgh

Like we talked, as long as money isn't an issue and your source is by 100% trustworthy regarding the purchasing of Primobolan Depot, then I would definitely give it a shot.

As I have mentioned several times before on this very board, I stopped running long cycles a few years ago for various reasons. I do strongly believe, however, in that people who want to run long cycles with a very specific goal of recomposing their physiques must give a 14-20 week Primobolan & Test cycle a try. I have come across with very few people with what I would call ''less than positive feed-back'' about Primobolan not having lived up to their expectations thus far. All of these guys had something in common, however: they were all huge, I mean juice monsters who have already indulged themselves on a gram of Tren and very generous amounts of Test. Their concern wasn't maintaining their current BW and recomposing their physiques; on the contrary, they wanted to grow bigger and bigger...

At any rate, I seriously don't think you'll need a third compound while running Primo & Test cycle. Test Prop can be very beneficial for kick-starting the cycle for the first 4-5 weeks at a dosage that would meet the dosage of the Test E. I have never front-loaded Primobolan but I believe it can be front-loaded since it is a heavy ester AAS like the rest that can be front-loaded for the benefit of speeding things up and having results earlier into the cycle.

On a last note, Primobolan gives you a considerable amount of strength also, something people often either ignore or underestimate. I know this from first hand experience and it is an undeniable fact for me.

This is what my last Primobolan cycle looked like:

Week 1-5: Test Prop 150mg EOD, Test E 500mg EW, Primobolan Depot 200mg EOD, Arimidex 0.25mg EOD, HCG 250iu E3D.

Week 1-14: Test E 500mg EW, Primobolan Depot 200mg EOD, Arimidex 0.25mg EOD, HCG 250iu E3D.

PCT: Starts 16 days after last Primo injection

Nolvadex @20mg for 6 weeks and Clomid 100/50/50/50

[snowblowjoe]

Thanks novyman. I really would like to do a primo test cycle but not sure if I can run test for 20 weeks without getting shut down permanently. If I don't run test primo then I will probably elect test and anvar.

[snowblowjoe]

Looks good TJ! Got my question answered about how long to run the test.. Now I just need to wait... Finished last cycle about 8 weeks ago

[Novyman]

You def have some options...but I would advise doing a test only cycle (prop and E) and see how your body responds before stacking the other compounds....you can always do that on your next cycle. In terms of cutting, you can accomplish that through diet. Testosterone alone is responsible for fat distribution, so with the right diet...you won't need to do the other compounds to cut up. Why risk stacking all these compounds when you can get the same results from doing a test only cycle. See how your body responds to the test, because you can always beef up your future cycles. Otherwise you may unnecessarily screw up your liver and kidneys, along with throwing away money. Youre gonna get great results with doing the test only cycle provided you eat enough/correct and train correct. Take your time, and enjoy it all, youre in for a magical journey...with lots of possibilities ....but spread it out, dont just do a bunch of shit all at once because you wont know how your body is responding to what. Also make sure you run an AI and PCT

[Turkish Juicer]

^^^ OP has already done a few Test only cycles and now he is looking forward to stacking Test with a secondary compound.

Primobolan is the safest AAS around and you might want to read through the entire thread before responding.

[t-dogg]

Hmm, Tdogg running a 20wk cycle. Longest Ive run was 15-16wks. LOL, trt is in my future...

[snowblowjoe]

Yes tj is right. I've already played with fire and used test, anvar, Tren, winny, and Masteron all during my 2 cycles and some how I have recovered perfectly from it.
I don't want to play with fire again that's why a test primo cycle is so appealing to me. Just not sure if I should run test for that long.

TJ would it be completely idiotic of me if I run the test with primo for just 14 weeks and then just running primo from weeks 14-20?

[Turkish Juicer]

TJ would it be completely idiotic of me if I run the test with primo for just 14 weeks and then just running primo from weeks 14-20?

Yes, it would certainly be an idiotic thing to do. Don't do it.

Primo & Test will deliver nice results when run for 14 weeks also. Running it for 14 weeks also means an easier recovery later compared to the risks involved in a 20 week version of the same cycle.

Primo is a heavy ester AAS can be front loaded. Front loading it will help in terms of delivering results earlier into the cycle.

Again, HCG 250-500iu E3D during this cycle is a must. You have to start HCG injections the very first day of your cycle and continue to inject until 4 days before PCT starts. If considerable testicular atrophy occurs towards the end of this cycle, you should blast with HCG at much higher doses (1500-2000iu)between the last AAS injection and 4 days before PCT begins.

I recovered fine from my 14 week Primo & Test cycle. I believe I owe it to proper HCG & AI administration as well as running Nolvadex for an extra 2 weeks during PCT.

[binsser]

Binsser =the dimwit

BINSSER THE DIMWIT --- Really !!! Im just giving you sound advice so you dont hurt yourself with all the other crap.. I did read your full post and like many others have stated prop/primo is a great cycle i should know ive just come off one.that was my advice to you the only dimwit is the idiot trying to run aload of compounds he knows fvck all about DIMWIT Mmmmmm how about f ckoff!!!!

[snowblowjoe]

Lol easy there binnser. You were obviously being sarcastic with your advice. It's allllll goood

[snowblowjoe]

I'm thinking I made up my mind. Don't want to run a 20 week cycle. A clean test and var cycle has my mouth watering.
Thinking 750mg of test ew and 100 mgs of var ed. When should I start running my var if my cycle will be 12 weeks long?

Hmm I wrote this up before TJ most recent post. Do you have experience with var?

[snowblowjoe]

Just seems like Var would be more practical and yield similar results?