First cycle critique please

[MuscleInk]

Srry I forget but they are up now

I need help with pct. Should I take clomid and Nolvadex?

Yes in the two compound PCT.
Where's your AI?
Where's your HCG?
Liv52 is pretty weak as far as liver health goes.

[MuttonChop]

Yes in the two compound PCT.
Where's your AI?
Where's your HCG?
Liv52 is pretty weak as far as liver health goes.

I wouldn't agree on recommending HCG right away to a newbie MuscleInk. I know this goes against what everyone knows as correct. But the thing is, I know more people who have fvked up their bodies from improper HCG use than with steroid use.

I would instead tell him to carefully use HCG in his second cycle based on how well he was able to recover after his first one. For example, me and two of my buddies never get much nut shrinkage and we are at baseline test after 2 weeks of just Nolva at 20mg ED.

[MuscleInk]

I wouldn't agree on recommending HCG right away to a newbie MuscleInk. I know this goes against what everyone knows as correct. But the thing is, I know more people who have fvked up their bodies from improper HCG use than with steroid use.

I would instead tell him to carefully use HCG in his second cycle based on how well he was able to recover after his first one. For example, me and two of my buddies never get much nut shrinkage and we are at baseline test after 2 weeks of just Nolva at 20mg ED.

Well that's interesting Mutton. In 18 years of clinical medicine I haven't seen any serious adverse events with HCG. There are known risks in people with severe hypersensitivity to the reagents or those predisposed to coronary disease (thromboembolisms become risk factors with a hx of cardiac problems). I've run as much as 20,000 ius on cycle (small doses over extended periods) and had absolutely no problems at any time.

I agree, HCG is an option for some. I continue to apply it in practice because it has served it's purpose well.

[MuttonChop]

Well that's interesting Mutton. In 18 years of clinical medicine I haven't seen any serious adverse events with HCG. There are known risks in people with severe hypersensitivity to the reagents or those predisposed to coronary disease (thromboembolisms become risk factors with a hx of cardiac problems). I've run as much as 20,000 ius on cycle (small doses over extended periods) and had absolutely no problems at any time.

I agree, HCG is an option for some. I continue to apply it in practice because it has served it's purpose well.

MuscleInk, I thank you for not bashing my head in with a rock. I like your professional reply. You have much much more experience than I do.

Do you believe that overuse of HCG could lead to desensitization to Luteinizing hormone? I always thought this was what happened to the people I know who were shutdown for months, even though they did a simple 500mg/wk of Test E for 10 weeks.

[MickeyKnox]

I wouldn't agree on recommending HCG right away to a newbie MuscleInk. I know this goes against what everyone knows as correct. But the thing is, I know more people who have fvked up their bodies from improper HCG use than with steroid use.

I would instead tell him to carefully use HCG in his second cycle based on how well he was able to recover after his first one. For example, me and two of my buddies never get much nut shrinkage and we are at baseline test after 2 weeks of just Nolva at 20mg ED.

Anytime you introduce enough exogenous testosterone to promote Testicular Atrophy, hCG should be included on cycle.