3rd cycle

[BBrian]

I don't want to offend anyone but I believe there are some misconceptions about Nandrolone (deca) here.

First of all NPP is Nandrolone Phenylpropionate. Deca is Nandrolone Decanoate. The difference is the ester attached; phenylprop is a short ester, whereas deca is a long ester, comparible to cypionate. Either way, you are dealing with the same compound. Secondly, nandrolone is not a compound, in my experience, that should be used to build mass in and of itself, but rather to aid the body cope with the strength and stamina increases that come with other compounds. It's benefits are shown to include increased red blood cell production, bone density, appetite, muscle mass to a slight degree, but most people use it for its positive affect on the joints. I've personally used it with great success to heal a shoulder injury incurred from a judo match that put me out of commission for several months. Third, I don't agree that eight weeks is not enough time to see benefits from Nandrolone Decanoate. Like any compound with a long ester attached, it takes a few weeks to reach a suitable level in the body, but I've used it in eight week test cycles and its presence was very obvious. And just like test cyp/enan, the ester dictates how long it lingers in the body post cycle.

On another note, Nandrolone has many adverse side effects. Only cycles with deca have given me gyno (which I realize is debatable), it causes an incredible amount of water retention, and recent studies have shown that it causes the hardening of arteries (Atherosclerosis). On top of that, Nandrolone has been shown to lower levels of luteinizing hormone through negative feedback, i.e. erectile dysfunction/"deca dick". I used to include this in every cycle, but I've chosen not to use it anymore.

[MickeyKnox]

Smurf: been reading in dbol a little bit. Whys that preffered over npp or deca? Im stickin with my plan of test only cycle as advised but looking to add a compound next time and getting everything together for my last order for the year. Also read 20-30mg of dbol through out the day for 6 weeks? Im going to continue reading and as stated im not running anything except test this cycle but what would be a breakdown cycle for a first timer on dbol? Never had orals always ben detered from them due to liver damage. Aslo i guess deca is a thing of the "past" cause i used to know a bunch that liked it and swore by it but the sides seemed harsh until i talked myself into buying it now detered from it also

Just wanted to applaud your decision to stick to a Test Only first cycle.

As far as the Dbol is concerned, i think you would benefit nicely from a 30mg to 40mg/day protocol. Dbol's half life is about 6-8 hours, so ideal protocols would dictate 10mg every 8 hours in a 24 hour period. Or, depending on the strength of your tabs, 15mg every 8 hours (45mg/day) would be fine as well. But i don't recommend this until after your Test Only cycle.

I don't want to offend anyone but I believe there are some misconceptions about Nandrolone (deca) here.

First of all NPP is Nandrolone Phenylpropionate. Deca is Nandrolone Decanoate. The difference is the ester attached; phenylprop is a short ester, whereas deca is a long ester, comparible to cypionate. Either way, you are dealing with the same compound. Secondly, nandrolone is not a compound, in my experience, that should be used to build mass in and of itself, but rather to aid the body cope with the strength and stamina increases that come with other compounds. It's benefits are shown to include increased red blood cell production, bone density, appetite, muscle mass to a slight degree, but most people use it for its positive affect on the joints. I've personally used it with great success to heal a shoulder injury incurred from a judo match that put me out of commission for several months. Third, I don't agree that eight weeks is not enough time to see benefits from Nandrolone Decanoate. Like any compound with a long ester attached, it takes a few weeks to reach a suitable level in the body, but I've used it in eight week test cycles and its presence was very obvious. And just like test cyp/enan, the ester dictates how long it lingers in the body post cycle.

On another note, Nandrolone has many adverse side effects. Only cycles with deca have given me gyno (which I realize is debatable), it causes an incredible amount of water retention, and recent studies have shown that it causes the hardening of arteries (Atherosclerosis). On top of that, Nandrolone has been shown to lower levels of luteinizing hormone through negative feedback, i.e. erectile dysfunction/"deca dick". I used to include this in every cycle, but I've chosen not to use it anymore.

Fantastic write up Brian, where the heck you been??

Quick question: Did you experience similar negative sides (gyno, water retention) when using the short ester? You mention the Deca ester giving you the jimmies, but im wondering what your experience was with the short ester PhenylProp. Also, when you used the short ester did you find that water retention was about the same or was there a marked difference between the two?

Thanks.

[BBrian]

Fantastic write up Brian, where the heck you been??

Quick question: Did you experience similar negative (gyno) sides when using the short ester? You mention the Deca ester giving you the jimmies, but im wondering what your experience was with the short ester PhenylProp. Also, when you used the short ester did you find that water retention was about the same or was there a marked difference between the two?

Thanks.

Thanks Mickey! I've been hiding in the hills and woods of Kentucky for quite a while now, but I just moved to Florida and I've decided to be social again I appreciate the warm welcome man.

To answer your questions, all side effects were far less pronounced with the phenylpropionate. But this wasn't surprising to me as the same seems to apply with testosterone. Estrogen related sides, water retention, all of it. I'm surprised that the prop version is so hard to come by, because quite frankly I found it to be far superior.

[MickeyKnox]

Mickeyknox: this is my 3rd cycle. Previous cycle is test E only and second cycle sust and test e at the end. As far as this cycle yes ill stick with 500mg of test e only for 12 weeks but 4th cycle prep im thinking of adding a compound and was just wondering deca or dbol... But thanks for the breakdown on dbol dosages

Oh, my apologies my friend. I didn't see that.

Thanks Mickey! I've been hiding in the hills and woods of Kentucky for quite a while now, but I just moved to Florida and I've decided to be social again I appreciate the warm welcome man.

To answer your questions, all side effects were far less pronounced with the phenylpropionate. But this wasn't surprising to me as the same seems to apply with testosterone. Estrogen related sides, water retention, all of it. I'm surprised that the prop version is so hard to come by, because quite frankly I found it to be far superior.

Youre welcome Brian.

The transparent truth is i was wondering about you awhile ago. I missed reading your articulate and informative posts - im sure im not the only one who feels this way. Anyway, glad to see you have returned to the community.

And thanks for answering my question.

[misterwazza]

I don't want to offend anyone but I believe there are some misconceptions about Nandrolone (deca) here.

First of all NPP is Nandrolone Phenylpropionate. Deca is Nandrolone Decanoate. The difference is the ester attached; phenylprop is a short ester, whereas deca is a long ester, comparible to cypionate. Either way, you are dealing with the same compound. Secondly, nandrolone is not a compound, in my experience, that should be used to build mass in and of itself, but rather to aid the body cope with the strength and stamina increases that come with other compounds. It's benefits are shown to include increased red blood cell production, bone density, appetite, muscle mass to a slight degree, but most people use it for its positive affect on the joints. I've personally used it with great success to heal a shoulder injury incurred from a judo match that put me out of commission for several months. Third, I don't agree that eight weeks is not enough time to see benefits from Nandrolone Decanoate. Like any compound with a long ester attached, it takes a few weeks to reach a suitable level in the body, but I've used it in eight week test cycles and its presence was very obvious. And just like test cyp/enan, the ester dictates how long it lingers in the body post cycle.

On another note, Nandrolone has many adverse side effects. Only cycles with deca have given me gyno (which I realize is debatable), it causes an incredible amount of water retention, and recent studies have shown that it causes the hardening of arteries (Atherosclerosis). On top of that, Nandrolone has been shown to lower levels of luteinizing hormone through negative feedback, i.e. erectile dysfunction/"deca dick". I used to include this in every cycle, but I've chosen not to use it anymore.

Hollllyyyy crappppp. This gave me a TON of information about deca (which I didn't hear much about). Thanks man, and welcome back

@OP, good choice you've made. Keep us informed about if you go with Dbol or not.