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    Quote Originally Posted by seriouslifter
    im past mid cycle and started letro to try to kill pre existing gyno. 2 weeks in at 2.5mg im noticing my wrists, forearms and elbows are killing me. a stinging painful pump. i barely can lift heavy anymore. the joints hurt. wonder why i have been feeling tired and just out of it. i think the gyno is getting smaller little by little, it was big before. i have been taking joint supp and 2-3g of fish oil a day. i just started creatine to possible help. what do you guys do? i cant even keep lifting heavy it hurts.
    Where you using an AI previously? Fatigue, myalgia an arthralgia can by symptoms of both high and low E2. Too many people make the mistake thinking an AI is only needed to control gyno. That is a very naive view.

    Your symptoms could be estrogen related. List everything you are taking including supplements, gear, and ancillaries and for how long.

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    i know its hindering my gains, but im doing the c-bino protocol. im trying to zap gyno on cycle because i didnt want to lose my sex drive. i was front loading with prop and now im on wk8 of test enth and deca. deca at 400mg doesnt seem to be lubricating joints. i was using ldex at .25mg EOD to gyno prevent and keep estrogen stable, but i want this pre existing gyno gone. it was big lump before, i think its getting slowly smaller or it could be mentally. what should i do? i really feel letro effects now and joint pain. i just took motrin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriouslifter
    i know its hindering my gains, but im doing the c-bino protocol. im trying to zap gyno on cycle because i didnt want to lose my sex drive. i was front loading with prop and now im on wk8 of test enth and deca. deca at 400mg doesnt seem to be lubricating joints. i was using ldex at .25mg EOD to gyno prevent and keep estrogen stable, but i want this pre existing gyno gone. it was big lump before, i think its getting slowly smaller or it could be mentally. what should i do? i really feel letro effects now and joint pain. i just took motrin.
    How long was the gyno there? You said "pre-existing". Untreated gynecomastia can become sense and fibrous and when that happens may require a surgical resection to completely remove the dense tissue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk View Post
    How long was the gyno there? You said "pre-existing". Untreated gynecomastia can become sense and fibrous and when that happens may require a surgical resection to completely remove the dense tissue.
    its been there for years and has a lump, but i wanted to try letro. is it a waste of time since its been there for years? i feel its a dense lump. should i just stop letro and go back to ldex at .25mg EOD? i feel like pure crap, tired and joint pain. i dont even feel swol anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk View Post
    Where you using an AI previously? Fatigue, myalgia an arthralgia can by symptoms of both high and low E2. Too many people make the mistake thinking an AI is only needed to control gyno. That is a very naive view.

    Your symptoms could be estrogen related. List everything you are taking including supplements, gear, and ancillaries and for how long.
    Great advice ^^

    Note to self: avoid anything that ends with "algia"........

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