test/tren/mast common ratio's

[Perseverance1]

Zzzz

[Lunk1]

Mast higher then test or tren.

Tren high as you can go while dealing with sides.

Test higher then tren.... usually ends up like austinite posted or with lower tren. But really, any ratio works, try a few and see what you like better.

Test 250
Tren (as high as you can go with the sides)
Mast 500-700

Why run tren as high as you can until you experience unbearable sides? How about running ony as much as you need for good results???

[Perseverance1]

Zzzz

[lovbyts]

Could you please define (only as much as you need)?

Doesn't everyone always want to improve? Isn't there always room for improvement? Isn't that one of the beauties of this sport? You're always pushing yourself and shattering barriers...maybe I'm just weird.

Simply grow into your cycle. More is not better and does not mean more gains. Use as little to gain as much as possible so you have more room to go up later.

[Perseverance1]

Zzzz

[lovbyts]

It sounds like you're saying that people build up a tolerance/immunity to gear after a while....I was always under the impression that this tolerance only happens mid cycle (after 8 weeks if what I read from the Slingshot Training Thread was correct) and that stopping usage for a few weeks would serve to "reset" said tolerance levels. Am I missing something?

No, not necessarily a tolerance per say but double the compound does not mean double the gains. Say you run 400mg Tren and gain 15 lbs. Running 800 does not mean you will gain 30 lbs, more than likely it will still be 15 lbs especially if it's your first few times. So in reality you just wasted enough tren for a 2nd cycle.

[Perseverance1]

Zzzz

[MuscleInk]

Simply grow into your cycle. More is not better and does not mean more gains. Use as little to gain as much as possible so you have more room to go up later.

True. The law of diminishing returns often applies.

[Lunk1]

Could you please define (only as much as you need)?

Doesn't everyone always want to improve? Isn't there always room for improvement? Isn't that one of the beauties of this sport? You're always pushing yourself and shattering barriers...maybe I'm just weird.

Tren is so effective and strong that many ppl can have great results on lower doses like 200-300 mg EW! If I can tolerate 800mg is that how much I should run...evn if I can make great gains from 400mg? NO! Read Marcus's post on growing into your dose! Run only the min. amount need for effectiveness until that dose or compound is no longer effective...then increase doses or add compounds!

[Perseverance1]

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[Lunk1]

So you're also saying we build up a tolerance for gear then?

No...I'm saying why use more of ANYTHING than you need! I just finished a Tren cycle...to experiment a bit I bumped from my normal dose of 500mg up to 750mg! The only thing I noticed an increase of...were the sides! My point is..if 300mg is effective for many (based on a number of factors) then why use 600 or 800??

If you continue to grow then you will eventually need more AAS to support the growth (granted I am refering to above genetic limit type growth)

[MuscleInk]

Why run tren as high as you can until you experience unbearable sides? How about running ony as much as you need for good results???

I agree. With an anabolic ratio of nearly 500, its already one of the most potent compounds. I've never run more than 500mg of tren yet.