Worth a shot I guess!!! Either way, great initial post and great info!Originally Posted by Turkish Juicer
What does your PCT consist of?
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Worth a shot I guess!!! Either way, great initial post and great info!
What does your PCT consist of?
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My PCT typically consists of both Nolvadex and Clomid, which are both available at every pharmacy in Turkey, and also happen to be quite affordable. Thus, having access to the legit/pharm grade versions of these compounds have never been an issue for me. Same goes for AIs and HCG.
Torem, on the other hand, is a prescription drug and happens to be very expensive unfortunately, which is why I haven't been able to experiment with it thus far. But I am extremely curious about how my metabolism would response to Torem & Clomid combo.
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Daily dose 25 mg Clomid doubles men's T levels
A modest dose of the fertility drug Clomid can help men with low testosterone levels and low sex drive. Researchers at the Centro de Andrologia e Urologia in Porto Alegre, Brazil came to this conclusion after studying 125 hypogonadal men.
The participants in the Brazilian study had a testosterone level of 300-400 nanograms per decilitre. Their levels were within the limits of what doctors regard as normal – 200-1200 nanograms per decilitre – but they were on the low side. The men complained of lack of libido.
Progressive doctors have been known to prescribe testosterone products for these complaints. They are effective in the short term, but may have long-term side effects such as "skin irritation, gynecomastia, nipple tenderness, testicular atrophy and decline in sperm counts", according to the researchers.
Clomid – active ingredient clomiphene citrate – has none of these side effects. It is an anti-oestrogen that makes the brain think that there is too little steroid hormone circulating in the blood. As a result higher levels of steering hormones are produced, which stimulate testosterone production in the testes.
Clomid not only has fewer side effects than testosterone, but it's also cheaper. Researchers at Rush University in the US calculated in 2010 that the costs of Clomid treatment are less than a third of treatments using testosterone preparations. [J Sex Med. 2010 Jan; 7(1 Pt 1): 269-76.]
Because they wanted to see for themselves whether Clomid works in men, the Brazilians gave their test subjects a pill containing 25 mg clomiphene citrate every day for 3-6 months. The men's testosterone levels almost doubled, as you can see below.
One side effect of testosterone therapy that is cause for concern among cardiologists is a worsening in the cholesterol balance, which is associated with an increased risk of cardiovascular problems. In this study there was no sign of this happening. In fact the Clomid actually improved the men's cholesterol levels a little.
The treatment also reduced the sexual problems that most of the men had. Among the over-seventies however Clomid led to improvements in about half of the subjects, but no change was noticed in the other half.
"Our data showed that a daily dose of 25 mg clomiphene citrate was effective in stimulating endogenous T production in a short follow-up", the Brazilians conclude. "No serious adverse events were recorded during the study period. This medication should be considered a therapeutic option for patients with symptomatic male testosterone deficiency."
Source: Int Braz J Urol. 2012 Jul;38(4):512-8.
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Clomid quadrupled testosterone level of over-trained runner
A relatively modest dose of clomid – full name clomiphene citrate – quadrupled the amount of testosterone in the body of an endurance athlete, who had wrecked his hormone system by over training. Endocrinologists at the University of New Mexico described what happened in a case study published twelve years ago in Fertility & Sterility.
The combination of endurance sports and over training spells disaster for sex hormone production. One of the most important reasons for this is that over training causes the hypothalamus in the brain to stop producing the master hormone GnRH. GnRH stimulates the production of LH and FSH in the pituitary. These are two hormones that stimulate the Leydig cells to produce more testosterone.
Anti-oestrogens increase the production of GnRH. The more oestrogens there are in the body, the less active the hypothalamus becomes, and the lower the amount of oestrogens, the more active it becomes. An anti-oestrogen like clomid blocks the oestrogen receptor. If you take clomid, oestrogens do continue to circulate in your body, but the cells don't notice them.
The researchers decided to apply this knowledge to a 29-year-old man who showed signs of serious over training. The man was 1.70 metres tall and weighed only 52 kg, but as a result of exercise had developed stress fractures in his pelvis. He had been running between 80 and 140 km a week since he was fifteen. For most people running is good for their bones, but things turned out differently for this guy. He was suffering from osteoporosis.
He’d also had sexual problems since the age of twenty: he’d had increasing trouble getting an erection.
When the doctors tested his blood, they discovered that the man’s testes were producing too little testosterone. His total testosterone level was 4.5 nmol/L. A normal level for men is between 12.5 and 34.3 nmol/L. The man’s free testosterone level was 9.0 pmol/L. The normal level for this is 45.0 to 138.7 pmol/L. The man’s LH and FSH levels were just within the normal limits, but were on the low side.
The doctors gave the guy 50 mg clomid daily. The graphs below show that as a result his testosterone level rose after week 0 – the start of the clomid therapy – by a factor of four. If you calculate generously it’s a factor of five.
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In week 24 the doctors stopped giving the guy clomid. When the complaints returned as a result, and had not disappeared after three months, the doctors put the guy on 25 mg clomid per day. The man apparently was not prepared to change his lifestyle in a way that would normalise his testosterone levels naturally.
Source:Fertil Steril. 1997 Apr;67(4):783-5.
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