Use Steroids & Need TRT - Fact

[Lunk1]

Try looking at it like this....if most men who never use steroids will need TRT at some point in their life, common sense tells us even more steroid users will need it. Sure "person dependent" as you put it does play a role but regardless of that factor most fall in the need TRT category.

I also don't see the possible need for TRT as a risk. I don't even understand how it's viewed as a risk.

I wouldn't call it a risk as much as I would a hassle that should be avoided until absolutely neccessary!

[Metalject]

I wouldn't call it a risk as much as I would a hassle that should be avoided until absolutely neccessary!

I don't see it as a hassle. I've been on TRT for 3yrs now, it takes a grand total of about 60 seconds of my time per week. So every 7 days I have to commit one minute of my time to administering testosterone. That's hardly a hassle. And I understand you have to go to the doctor, but we're talking about a couple of short visits at most.

Another thought/opinion of mine..."absolutely necessary"...how do we define absolutely necessary? Are we going by the old worn out standard below 300-350ng/dl? When we're below that is that when it becomes absolutely necessary? What if our total test is sitting at 500 but our free is at 15? What if we don't fall into the traditional low level category (which is a complete BS way to look at things) but if we increased our levels to the 700-1,000ng/dl range (which is the optimal range for most men, 700-1,100 Total and 20-30 Free) if we could do this and benefit why wouldn't we? Necessary is a very relative term.

[Lunk1]

I don't see it as a hassle. I've been on TRT for 3yrs now, it takes a grand total of about 60 seconds of my time per week. So every 7 days I have to commit one minute of my time to administering testosterone. That's hardly a hassle. And I understand you have to go to the doctor, but we're talking about a couple of short visits at most.

Another thought/opinion of mine..."absolutely necessary"...how do we define absolutely necessary? Are we going by the old worn out standard below 300-350ng/dl? When we're below that is that when it becomes absolutely necessary? What if our total test is sitting at 500 but our free is at 15? What if we don't fall into the traditional low level category (which is a complete BS way to look at things) but if we increased our levels to the 700-1,000ng/dl range (which is the optimal range for most men, 700-1,100 Total and 20-30 Free) if we could do this and benefit why wouldn't we? Necessary is a very relative term.

Neccessary as in...no reason for a 24 year old kid with normal functioning HPTA and high test levels to blast and cruise to llok better on the beach!

[fit2bOld]

Neccessary as in...no reason for a 24 year old kid with normal functioning HPTA and high test levels to blast and cruise to llok better on the beach!

This is the line we walk. Everyone is going to draw it somewhere. I agree with Lunk there is no need for a 24 year old to be blasting and cruising unless he has an iFBB pro card. I'm sure other may beg to
differ.

[Metalject]

This is the line we walk. Everyone is going to draw it somewhere. I agree with Lunk there is no need for a 24 year old to be blasting and cruising unless he has an iFBB pro card. I'm sure other may beg to
differ.

That may be true but how do you think that IFBB pro got there? It wasn't by following standard message board cycling rules.

[bigsiv]

That may be true but how do you think that IFBB pro got there? It wasn't by following standard message board cycling rules.

Although your posts are good ones i think this is very much debatable and potentially dangerous (to the wrong person). if anyone reads this who hasn't the knowledge and experience of AAS use they might use this as a reason for serious abuse and a lazy attitude to bodybuilding in general.

Standard message board cycling rules/advice IMO is the way to go for the general public. Just because that IFBB pro done this or that to get where he is doesn't mean everybody should because they shouldn't.

Again I'm just debating not fighting here

[Metalject]

Although your posts are good ones i think this is very much debatable and potentially dangerous (to the wrong person). if anyone reads this who hasn't the knowledge and experience of AAS use they might use this as a reason for serious abuse and a lazy attitude to bodybuilding in general.

Standard message board cycling rules/advice IMO is the way to go for the general public. Just because that IFBB pro done this or that to get where he is doesn't mean everybody should because they shouldn't.

Again I'm just debating not fighting here

Black and white man, we can all acknowledge what's the safest way to approach things or even the most responsible way....by the way, also keep in mind what you call responsible many would call insanely nuts...but the point is while we can acknowledge the safest way that doesn't mean we can't openly acknowledge that's not how XYZ pro bodybuilder did it. Of course he didn't...no way on this earth he ran cycles of 500mg of test-e for 12wks, took off 12wks and repeated that 5-6 times...I mean this should be obvious. Most pro's started using a lot of gear, massive amounts in their 20's, many in their early 20's. Stating the obvious is not encouraging others to do the same, it's simply stating the obvious. The bigger crime is telling young guys they can look just like their favorite professional bodybuilder by working hard, making sure they take all their supplements and eating clean. There aren't too many lies bigger than that one right there but it's purported every day and people continually buy into it. From there, as time goes by, they learn the truth and give up or they learn the truth and take the next step.

Again, this is simply acknowledging the truth. We can even take it a step further if we want to. Yes, you can build a good physique following standard message board cycling rules/advice, but pro level? Not a chance and most anyone who is honest and has some time in the saddle knows that. That doesn't mean they're saying "hey everybody, use 18g of gear a week and inject 38ius a day of HGH right into your butt hole....it's simply acknowledging the truth. I think that's the one thing that's always irritated me about message boards, being safe and as responsible is a good thing but it doesn't mean we ignore the truth or reality of other things.

[MickeyKnox]

Although your posts are good ones i think this is very much debatable and potentially dangerous (to the wrong person). if anyone reads this who hasn't the knowledge and experience of AAS use they might use this as a reason for serious abuse and a lazy attitude to bodybuilding in general.

Standard message board cycling rules/advice IMO is the way to go for the general public. Just because that IFBB pro done this or that to get where he is doesn't mean everybody should because they shouldn't.

Again I'm just debating not fighting here

Once again BigSiv make a solid point, IMHO. These need to be looked at and not swept under the rug to make a point MJ.

[Metalject]

Neccessary as in...no reason for a 24 year old kid with normal functioning HPTA and high test levels to blast and cruise to llok better on the beach!

That's not what I was talking about.