Quote Originally Posted by warmouth

I wouldn't run test p for 12 weeks for starters. An AI is a must regardless of gyno prone or not. Gyno is the least of estrogen related side effects. Its the side effects you don't "see" that is dangerous. Take the AI. Having caber or prami on hand is responsible as well while using any 19nor. I cant stress enough the importance of controlling your estrogen. Throw "gyno" out the window. Way to many other sides that are far worse. With the propionate ester, after 8-10 weeks, the risk to reward isn't worth continuing. This is why short esters are being used anyways, no? Effect come on faster and you can get off faster. If you plan on a long cycle, use long esters.
I hear you I'm gonna switch to dbol alone 4wks and run the rest for 8wks not gonna start it till I get everything down

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