Must-watch: William Llewellyn discusses the evolving anabolic steroid black market!

[Atomini]

I'm wondering what countries allow these labs and actually regulate them. Didn't have time to watch the full lecture this time around, this is my second time seeing it but I wonder which countries allow it

No countries allow these labs at all, and they are all unregulated.

They are called UNDERGROUND laboratories for a reason. They are not FDA (or any international equivalent) approved. These are laboratories set up in someone's kitchen or basement designed for the sole purpose of manufacturing anabolic steroids and nothing else. There is no oversight, no regulation, no quality control, and they are illegal operations almost anywhere they are set up in. These labs and these issues of the underground AAS black market would NOT exist if anabolic steroids were legal.

[austinite]

Love the top comment on that vid...

Who cares, this is not a problem. It's only a problem because you bring Si much attention to it. Focus on meth or pain killers. Steroids catch headlines but don't ruin communities

[Metalject]

No countries allow these labs at all, and they are all unregulated.

They are called UNDERGROUND laboratories for a reason. They are not FDA (or any international equivalent) approved. These are laboratories set up in someone's kitchen or basement designed for the sole purpose of manufacturing anabolic steroids and nothing else. There is no oversight, no regulation, no quality control, and they are illegal operations almost anywhere they are set up in. These labs and these issues of the underground AAS black market would NOT exist if anabolic steroids were legal.

Just out of curiosity, how would you classify companies, labs or whatever you want to call them the have actual manufacturing and operating facilities (not a kitchen or basement but actual place of business), so on and so on yet is not recognized by the U.S. as a pharmaceutical company despite holding this recognition in most other places around the world. How would you classify them?

A perfect example of what I'm talking about is Alpha Pharma:

*Meets all requirements and standards of United States, United Kingdom and Australian FDA

*Meets all requirements and standards of the World Health Organization

*Have provided to the U.S. and Europe all Drug master Files

*Responses to audit reports and follow up activities

These are just a few examples of many by this company yet they are not recognized by the U.S. government despite passing every last test. How would you classify them? My opinion is they are just as good as any labeled pharmaceutical grade manufacture. Yes, they do produce some compounds no other pharmaceutical company touches (although such items were once produced by numerous pharmaceutical companies) but does this mean they’re not human grade? I understand AP is one of the few companies that could be in this category. What that category is specifically in terms of an official label I’m not sure and I’m not sure it even matters. The U.S. placing their blessing on such an endeavor shouldn’t be the end all be all in terms of “is it legitimate?” At least that’s my opinion.

[kronik420]

on a related note, anyone wanna give me your opinion on this thread:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...e#.UTRV0qKLBVs

just trying to find out what the best UGL is that i currently have available to me.

thanks

kronik

[Metalject]

on a related note, anyone wanna give me your opinion on this thread:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...e#.UTRV0qKLBVs

just trying to find out what the best UGL is that i currently have available to me.

thanks

kronik

Alpha Pharma, although I don't consider it UG. However, there seems to be a lot of counterfeit AP floating around out there these days. How bad of a problem it is I don't know but keep in mind you don't hear of garbage brands being counterfeited that often. Another problem is the main supplier of AP gear on the black market shut down within the last year. There was no bust involved. Rumor is it simply become too difficult for this guy due to increasing U.S. pressure. Rumor is that he does, however, still supply some guys in Europe but I have no idea if this is true. Anyway, in my opinion you cannot go wrong with this brand assuming your supplier is legitimate.

[kronik420]

Alpha Pharma, although I don't consider it UG. However, there seems to be a lot of counterfeit AP floating around out there these days. How bad of a problem it is I don't know but keep in mind you don't hear of garbage brands being counterfeited that often. Another problem is the main supplier of AP gear on the black market shut down within the last year. There was no bust involved. Rumor is it simply become too difficult for this guy due to increasing U.S. pressure. Rumor is that he does, however, still supply some guys in Europe but I have no idea if this is true. Anyway, in my opinion you cannot go wrong with this brand assuming your supplier is legitimate.

thanks, comes from India apparently..

[lovbyts]

See the size of that raw powder bag in the beginning?

[kronik420]

See the size of that raw powder bag in the beginning?

lol yea im putting one of those on this years Christmas list

[lovbyts]

Watched the whole thing now. Talk about scare tactics. OK I want to know how much, what percentage of heavy metals or contaminants are in them.
Now how about compared to foods you buy at the super market such as rice, flour, milk and most processed foods? You will find contaminants in most anything if you look hard enough. You can find arsenic in a lot of foods also.
http://www.jigsawhealth.com/resource...c-heavy-metals

[Metalject]

thanks, comes from India apparently..

Yes.

you might also find this interesting. I was just looking through their website and found this.

http://www.alpha-pharma.com/vacancy_ad_10_june_2010.pdf

Call me crazy but I can't think of too many UGL's that have something like this.

[kronik420]

Yes.

you might also find this interesting. I was just looking through their website and found this.

http://www.alpha-pharma.com/vacancy_ad_10_june_2010.pdf

Call me crazy but I can't think of too many UGL's that have something like this.

lol i wonder how much $$ they are offering for that job, and do you get a year's supply of test as a Christmas bonus

[Armykid93]

No countries allow these labs at all, and they are all unregulated.

They are called UNDERGROUND laboratories for a reason. They are not FDA (or any international equivalent) approved. These are laboratories set up in someone's kitchen or basement designed for the sole purpose of manufacturing anabolic steroids and nothing else. There is no oversight, no regulation, no quality control, and they are illegal operations almost anywhere they are set up in. These labs and these issues of the underground AAS black market would NOT exist if anabolic steroids were legal.

Thanks for the info. So how are aas classified as a higher purity than others if they are all basically made in someone kitchen? Sounds like nobody could achieve a truly sterile brewing process. I've never made them before so I could be wrong.

[lovbyts]

Thanks for the info. So how are aas classified as a higher purity than others if they are all basically made in someone kitchen? Sounds like nobody could achieve a truly sterile brewing process. I've never made them before so I could be wrong.

You achieve sterility by using these 2 things.



In a pinch you can use one of these instead of the autoclave.

[Armykid93]

You achieve sterility by using these 2 things.

<img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=134412"/>

In a pinch you can use one of these instead of the autoclave.
<img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=134413"/>

Thanks

[< <Samson> >]

Still, I think the sterility is not the biggest issue. Although it is the fast acting if you get dirty gear.

But, this is what I was interested in also. How much metal was in it? We take in toxins from our foods every day. The big question is, how much is too much?

Just blows that this shit can't be pharmaceutically produced due to useless laws.

[Atomini]

Everything Lovbyts said about maintaining sterility is true, but that is STERILITY. Anyone can make ANYTHING sterile in even the dirtiest environments. I could create sterile gear in a sewage treatment plant.

But sterility does not equal purity.

Purity is defined as a product that contains ingredients AS ADVERTISED ON THE LABEL, and NO CONTAMINANTS. Sterility does not fix the issue of contaminants in the form of heavy metals, plastics, etc. or the fact that a lot of gear doesn't even contain the hormone it is supposed to contain...

[lovbyts]

Everything Lovbyts said about maintaining sterility is true, but that is STERILITY. Anyone can make ANYTHING sterile in even the dirtiest environments. I could create sterile gear in a sewage treatment plant.

But sterility does not equal purity.

Purity is defined as a product that contains ingredients AS ADVERTISED ON THE LABEL, and NO CONTAMINANTS. Sterility does not fix the issue of contaminants in the form of heavy metals, plastics, etc. or the fact that a lot of gear doesn't even contain the hormone it is supposed to contain...

Agreed with the above but also as I stated is how much meaning what percentage is actually heavy metals in contaminants such as he suggest? You can find the exact same thing in most any pre packaged or canned foods you buy at the grocery market.

[Atomini]

Oh, and i've said this many times already... underground labs are underground labs because they are not FDA (or any international equivalent) approved.

Yes, there are many UGLs out there that manufacture gear in pharmaceutical grade facilities and manufacture their gear to pharmaceutical grade quality, sterility, and purity. But because they are not run with any oversight from an organization such as the FDA, they are still branded as UNDERGROUND LABS.

[Atomini]

Agreed with the above but also as I stated is how much meaning what percentage is actually heavy metals in contaminants such as he suggest? You can find the exact same thing in most any pre packaged or canned foods you buy at the grocery market.

But i'm not injecting canned foods into myself.

We are talking about medical products designed to be administered via injection. Under that classification, there are strict and stringent standards that must be followed as set by the FDA and the medical establishment.

Foods (FOODS, not medicine - there is a difference there) are consumed and ingested orally are completely different.

[lovbyts]

But i'm not injecting canned foods into myself.

We are talking about medical products designed to be administered via injection. Under that classification, there are strict and stringent standards that must be followed as set by the FDA and the medical establishment.

Foods (FOODS, not medicine - there is a difference there) are consumed and ingested orally are completely different.

Yes I understand your point but I guess what I'm also trying to say is I'll bet there is even a safe level of the same contaminants could be found in pharmaceutical grade injectables as well. I would like to see a side by side test of UGL and pharmaceutical AAS and find out what the difference is comparing apples to apples.

[Atomini]

Yes I understand your point but I guess what I'm also trying to say is I'll bet there is even a safe level of the same contaminants could be found in pharmaceutical grade injectables as well. I would like to see a side by side test of UGL and pharmaceutical AAS and find out what the difference is comparing apples to apples.

Properly manufactured pharmaceutical grade injectable solutions should contain nothing but the advertised product, oil solution (if applicable) and the associated cosolvents. Pharmaceutical grade injectable anabolic steroids are literally free of all contaminants.