Next cycle Dbol, sust, tren, proviron, masteron anavar

[XxAndreaxX]

Hi,
So my next cycle is a short bulking and long cutting cycle.
I’m cutting right now, and I’m starting to be real lean, but wanted to start cycle in june.
With my diet and my genetics, I feel I’ll loose some mass, now I’m at 83,5kg and till june, I might loose some muscles, maybe I’ll drop till 80kg but will be very very lean.
So my idea is:
Week 1-4
30mg dbol ED (to gain some fast and easy mass, bloat shouldn’t be a mess due I’ll be actually lean)
250mg Sust EW to maintain basic functions and get some more libido without much bloat
25mg Proviron ED to start some hardness
500mg tren E EW, (shouldn’t kick in until dbol is done so no sides overlay)
10mg ED Aromasin
400mg EW Masteron

Week 4-8
250mg sust EW
500mg tren E EW
25mg Proviron ED
0,5 E3D Cabergoline (because tren wil start to kick in)
10mg ED Armasin
400mg EW Masteron
HCG 125 UI E3D

Week 8-12
250mg sust EW
25mg Proviron ED
0,5 Cabergoline E3D
10mg Aromasin ED
400mg EW Masteron
60mg ED Anavar
HCG 125 UI E3D

PCT

How do this looks like???
Should I change something? Should I quit Proviron?
Could I start Anavar before?
Thanks!!!

[panntastic]

Hi,
So my next cycle is a short bulking and long cutting cycle.
I’m cutting right now, and I’m starting to be real lean, but wanted to start cycle in june.
With my diet and my genetics, I feel I’ll loose some mass, now I’m at 83,5kg and till june, I might loose some muscles, maybe I’ll drop till 80kg but will be very very lean.
So my idea is:
Week 1-4
30mg dbol ED (to gain some fast and easy mass, bloat shouldn’t be a mess due I’ll be actually lean)
250mg Sust EW to maintain basic functions and get some more libido without much bloat
25mg Proviron ED to start some hardness
500mg tren E EW, (shouldn’t kick in until dbol is done so no sides overlay)
10mg ED Aromasin
400mg EW Masteron

Week 4-8
250mg sust EW
500mg tren E EW
25mg Proviron ED
0,5 E3D Cabergoline (because tren wil start to kick in)
10mg ED Armasin
400mg EW Masteron
HCG 125 UI E3D

Week 8-12
250mg sust EW
25mg Proviron ED
0,5 Cabergoline E3D
10mg Aromasin ED
400mg EW Masteron
60mg ED Anavar
HCG 125 UI E3D

PCT

How do this looks like???
Should I change something? Should I quit Proviron?
Could I start Anavar before?
Thanks!!!

Haven't you literally just finished a cycle?
And should be doing pct right about now?

[lovbyts]

Haven't you literally just finished a cycle?
And should be doing pct right about now?

To be fair he didnt say WHEN he was going to start it BUT what about the gyno issue? Did you get that cleared up? (Today my last sust shot, starting gyno. what to do? 3-11-2013)

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

That is a lot of compounds there with a large amount of orals for 1 cycle. You're pretty much on an oral for 12 weeks straight :/. What is your cycle history?

I'm confused with what you are doing in this cycle? Bulking and cutting?

[XxAndreaxX]

Ok, my gyno is under control, raised aromasin to 20mg and the lump went away. no visual gyno, it was only a lump. dont know if it was caused by prolactine or estro, no puffyness only lump. but now its ok, don't know if I should go on taking caber, I just started yesterday with 10mg nolva 250 UI hcg E3D and went back to 10mg aromasin.
will end aromasin with HCG end next week, and start clomid and 40mg nolva right after (standard PCT protocol). I'll be low on clomid because it makes me feel like a little girl.

so now for the cycle, ok there are 2 orals, but not at the same time. maybe I should drop anavar?
My Idea was to recover maximum mass with dbol, and then start shredding as much as I can. because my problem is I need mass. I get lean very quickly, and my goal is to get very lean, don't want to be big, but, anyways mass is always welcome, and for me its very hard to get, even on steroids. thats the Idea.
how many kg could I gain on Dbol in 4 weeks if I'm 1,85, 80kg, 11% BF and veeery ectomorph? can I retain the gains during rest of cycle or will I loose it?

[fit2bOld]

This guy asks a lot of beginner questions for all the gear he has supposedly used.
Lots of kids playing games here of recent. Calling them out.
Post some pics OP. let's see how huge you are?

[Gaspaco]

Too much compounds IMO

[bigsiv]

This guy asks a lot of beginner questions for all the gear he has supposedly used.
Lots of kids playing games here of recent. Calling them out.
Post some pics OP. let's see how huge you are?

This is exactly right! I've called him out many a time. He doesn't post pics just blanks my request. This guy is a lunatic he gives bad advise and comes up with the craziest threads, I remember one were his leg was orgasming.......crazy

[Times Roman]

That's more compounds than i've ever stacked.

And this is your second or third cycle?

I see someone believes that more is better. I'll spare you the lecture, and instead say what you are doing is a mistake, and you should learn to grow into your cycles. How much natty gym time have you got (years?)

[austinite]

Is this a friend of yours?

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...bulos-creatine

[cj111]

500mg tren is not needed IMO. Little bit of that shit goes a long way

[XxAndreaxX]

This is my last foto this weekend (bit edited with contrast cause light was bad), 1.85m 84kg. its easy for me cut fat, but hard work to gain mass. my stock weight is 65-68kg.
thats why I want a fast bulk at the beginning of summer, and then cut the rest and get as lean as posible.
I'm not a meso so don't say I should be doublé that big, there are natural mesos bigger than me, but luck for them, I'm proud for not being a meso, I love my thin bone structure. the foto is after bulking, so I have now a long way for cutting and get lean hehe

[fit2bOld]

What the hell. Pot belly and skinny arms, no shoulders.
Classic!

[bigsiv]

What the hell. Pot belly and skinny arms, no shoulders.
Classic!

Ha ha ha shocking fit2bOld lol

[XxAndreaxX]

whats a pot belly???

[songdog]

This guy asks a lot of beginner questions for all the gear he has supposedly used.
Lots of kids playing games here of recent. Calling them out.
Post some pics OP. let's see how huge you are?

I talked to him on his last cycle beacuse he is a beginner and his use of tren.His reply his body is made for tren.I guess this explains the gyno.

[XxAndreaxX]

do you see some gyno in the photo???
Its not visual gyno, it was only a Little hard lumb, but now its away, maybe my stane was a Little bit underdosed.
Tren is good for me because it gives me linear gains and fat loss, I can't afford to be a roid head in my work, they'd kick me out immediately.

so back to my cycle, I'll start to lean out, in the photo I look actually lean but for my standards, I'm fat, I can get much leaner, thats the good part of my genetics.
do you think Dbol could help me? to give me a good kick for the next cycle and start with a decent mass??
I'm 83kg right now off cycle, my goal is this summer 85kg extra lean.

[songdog]

Plz explain why you think your body is made for tren enlighten me plz

[OnTheSauce]

What the hell. Pot belly and skinny arms, no shoulders.
Classic!

Yeah I am confused how he even obtained that look

[sixfootseven]

Is this by any chance a cycle your coach gave you to get your pro-card?

edit: heres a question. Have you ever even ran a test only cycle with proper support and pct?

and what is your height and weight?

[Natureboy71]

Too much compounds IMO

Exactly. I will never understand why so many guys feel more juice automatically means more gains. I have had better cycles using less then ones I did before keeping it simple and moderate with a good PCT.

[trenhead1]

I'd just blast a suss deca dbol cycle out mate if ure after bulking
Deca at 300mg 12 weeks
Suss 500mg 14 weeks
Dbol 40mg a day for first 4 weeks
Just what I'd do personaly at ure size for a bulk up to u though mate

[trenhead1]

If u stick to the cycle u stated though I'd drop ether the proviron or masteron personaly don't see a point running them together

[Ghosty]

No offence but im lighter and look better. i personally think the diet is where it's lacking, all the gear in the world wont help much if you eat crap.
Sort the diet out and look at a simpler cycle, 2-3 compounds suited towards your goal.

[Tron3219]

Dude, I'm taking test and ran 1 oral for the first 4 weeks. Do u think u really need all that shit? If ur looking for lean gains, get ur diet and training in check, AFTER you pct have some time off to do some studying. And btw, tren is 5x stringer then test and will put on huge gains if that's how u diet. Steroids will NOT shred u! Diets shred you! Cardio shreds you! Tren does not...

-TroN-

[bigsiv]

Plz explain why you think your body is made for tren enlighten me plz

It makes his legs orgasm lol
Sorry for brining this one up again OP but you need to start listening to everyone

[fit2bOld]

Now he's fishing for a source on another thread, cant make this stuff up!!

[XxAndreaxX]

What what what???
I'm fishing for a source??? where??? I have my source, and I don't think I'll change it.
What I'm searching for is another tren, because I feel Prochem's new batch is underdosed, my source has other labs, so I'll search for infos later bout them. but I'm very happy with my source.
I never ment to say that tren is made for my body, its stupid, I said, Tren is good for my situation, because of lean and linear gains, and I don't look like a roid head.
Yes I could do a basic bulking cycle, test, deca dbol and stanozolol, but I can't afford to bloat like a baloon and after 8 or 10 weeks loose half the gains, my boss would kick me out immediately.
I can shred with my diet, and that's what I did last year and I'll do this, but I was just curious to combine my natural leaning with an AAS made for that purpose, and see the result.
I'm, 1,85m tall and weight 83-84kg in that foto. my stock weight is 68kg more or less.
Don't want to argue with nobody, I'm only searching for advices or experience with compounds, that's all.
If you all have a better body than mine without taking that much AAS, good for you, maybe give me an advice how to be like you.

[panntastic]

Yes I could do a basic bulking cycle, test, deca dbol and stanozolol, but I can't afford to bloat like a baloon and after 8 or 10 weeks loose half the gains, my boss would kick me out immediately.
I

This shows your understanding of aas is very limited
With correct diet and estrogen control there would be zero bloating

[Tron3219]

What what what???
I'm fishing for a source??? where??? I have my source, and I don't think I'll change it.
What I'm searching for is another tren, because I feel Prochem's new batch is underdosed, my source has other labs, so I'll search for infos later bout them. but I'm very happy with my source.
I never ment to say that tren is made for my body, its stupid, I said, Tren is good for my situation, because of lean and linear gains, and I don't look like a roid head.
Yes I could do a basic bulking cycle, test, deca dbol and stanozolol, but I can't afford to bloat like a baloon and after 8 or 10 weeks loose half the gains, my boss would kick me out immediately.
I can shred with my diet, and that's what I did last year and I'll do this, but I was just curious to combine my natural leaning with an AAS made for that purpose, and see the result.
I'm, 1,85m tall and weight 83-84kg in that foto. my stock weight is 68kg more or less.
Don't want to argue with nobody, I'm only searching for advices or experience with compounds, that's all.
If you all have a better body than mine without taking that much AAS, good for you, maybe give me an advice how to be like you.

I did give u advice, diet and training plus ass time in the gym, u don't need all that shit, u don't know how to control the sides yet, no to mention the fact that ur lbm is not enough to require those compounds. U can make good lean gains on a test prop cycle.

Answer this question. Ur running test and tren, u get gyno, why?

-TroN-

[XxAndreaxX]

don't know why I got gyno, I'm not even shure it was gyno.
Listen, for the most of people, you have gyno, either if your nipples are puffy or you're sprayn milk like a cow.
My nipples never where puffy, and no milk there.
I'm taking cabergoline 0,5mg E3D and aromasin 10mg ED.
Maybe Aromasin was underdosed or simply not enough, I'd say it was a Estrogen issue, because my prolactine with 0,5mg caber E3D should be ok, and anyways my sex life was at top so I think no prolactine.
anyways now its ok, so who cares?
Maybe I can teach, with 500mg of sust EW 10mg Stane ED is not enough.
And anyways, I did my last tren cycle the "spanish way" and in the spanish forum, you take test, tren and 10mg nolva ED as antiestro. Lucky I didn't take big doses, and lucky I came across here in the official AAS forum, where I learned Nolva + tren = not a good idea.
I took no AI in my first tren cycle, here in spain it seems AI doesn't even exists. If they want to control estro, nolva is the only option.
but now who cares?? I learned the lession, and escaped very luckly a bad gyno or even worse a prolactine raise. I'm feeling fine, gained something like 6 lean kg in this cycle, and no bloat. so why change compounds??? I feel god with test, tren and proviron, and would like to add something that gives a harder look, harder than proviron. and at the same time, I'd try dbol, everyone speaks so well about that...

[KimboHalfSlice]

Today is my 8th day on Trenbolone Enanthate, I've taken 3 shots so far, each shot being 200mg, and I already have side-effects, namely anorgasmia (difficulty achieving orgasm).

I'm not saying everyone will get anorgasmia from that dosage, but just goes to show you that you can get side-effects far sooner than 4 weeks.

[XxAndreaxX]

Today is my 8th day on Trenbolone Enanthate, I've taken 3 shots so far, each shot being 200mg, and I already have side-effects, namely anorgasmia (difficulty achieving orgasm).

I'm not saying everyone will get anorgasmia from that dosage, but just goes to show you that you can get side-effects far sooner than 4 weeks.

Interesting man, What lab are you using???
With tren E I'd only use a 100% good dosed lab, and that's my idea.
Bunk-lab is only ok with tren Ace. Are you having night sweats?

[boz]

Interesting man, What lab are you using???
With tren E I'd only use a 100% good dosed lab, and that's my idea.
Bunk-lab is only ok with tren Ace. Are you having night sweats?

Bunk lab? Where the hell are you going with this stack, im confused as hell, keep it simple, if not drop everything and do it the natty way, you seem to be confusing yourself not to mention everyone else.

[KimboHalfSlice]

Can't mention lab names.

I'm not having nightsweats, nor tachycardia (which I got last time around on Tren), but that's because I'm being sane with the dosage this time. I'm staying at 466mg per week.

I would have gained more the last time if I had taken a lower dosage of Tren, the side-effects got in the way of my gains.

[XxAndreaxX]

Man, no night sweats, at 466mg of tren x week??
Very strange...
I'm not confused, but I'm very unshure If I should try prochem's Tren E, after my experience with his lastest batch.... I mean, I know prochem is well known, and Its older batches were incredible, and I low its low PIP.
Changing lab is alwas a Jump in the space I don't like that.

My theory of bunk short esters, is that If you get a bunk short ester batch, you'll notice it 1-2 days later that something is wrong (like it happened to me with tren Ace) and you can adjust dosage to your needs so in the worst case, you'll have to buy one more vial for the same result.
but with a long ester, you'll notice bunk 1-2 weeks later, and it screws up the whole cycle.
that's my biggest concern right now, and with many compound I want to use, I really don't want to pin 2 times ED

[Antonious]

You can mention lab names, but not sources

[XxAndreaxX]

Ok, I'm looking forward to do this cycle, But now I’ve got another doubt.
I finished cycle since 2 weeks right now, PCT is doing good, but with the decanoate ester, I should have still a good amount in.
My goal is till June:
-Maintain muscle
-Maintain BF
I started Creatine last day, and stim free PWO
Take the same amount of protein like I was on, but I’m playng with carbs.
Like I said, I don’t want to loose BF, I’m in a very good shape, (see foto).
My workouts will be like on, full power 10-8-6 sets for multipower, and 12-10-8 for concentrate, and try to maintain strenght.
The only big chance I made, is quit cardio after workout.
While on, I’m doing 25min full power elliptical bike, only moving legs, but I quit it because of greater catabolism chance.
This 25min are always the key for my definition, but I really don’t know what to do.
Quit cardio and quit a good amount of carbs, or go on with cardio and carbs??
I’m feeling like without cardio, I’m loosing control of BF
Thanks!!!

[XxAndreaxX]

hi all!!
so I revised my cycle, and now the definitive cycle:

Week 1-2
250 sust EW
30 dbol ED
400 Tren E EW

Week 2-4
250 sust EW
30 dbol ED
400 Tren E EW
400 Masteron E EW
10 Aromasin ED

Week 4-10
250 sust EW
400 Tren E EW
400 Masteron E EW
10 Aromasin ED
0,5 Caber EW
125 UI HCG E3D

Week 10-12
250 Sust EW
400 masteron E EW
10 Aromasin ED
0,5 Caber EW
125 UI HCG E3D

PCT

was thinking about to add some Var the last 4 weeks but first lets see the results the first 8 weeks.
What do you think about that cycle??
maybe I should raise Tren?? due its Enanthate ester, 400mg could be similar to 350mg of tren Ace no?
In my last cycle I went as high as 525mg EW with tren ace, and no sides.
Please give me some feedback, an please please, don't come with go to nutrition section, post your diet etc.
I already have a thread in nutrition, so if you want to give me some nutrition hint, write there thanks.
Here, I want only thoughts about the cycle, thats it.
thanks!!!

[Doom44]

bodybuilding is an art. It take time to build even you are on steroid. But hey man you want to reach the sky in a single bound