Test E - Tren E - Proviron Cycle & Diet Layout

[Etbthree]

Looking to put on a good amount of lean mass while at the same time dropping some BF.
My TDEE is about 3,250, aiming for a 500cal deficit to cut some bodyfat, with the addition of cardio 6 days a week. (I posted a thread earlier in the diet section about carb cycling, but decided to go with a a standard cutting diet instead).

Age: 26
Height: 6' 7"
Weight: 240lbs
BF: Around 15%
Been weight training since my freshman year of highschool.
3rd cycle, second time using Tren.
Heres what I've got so far:

The AAS:
Week 1-12: Test E @ 675mg / wk. (1.5cc)
Week 1-10: Tren E @ 400mg / wk. (2.0cc)
Week 1-12: Proviron @ 50-100mg / ED.

The AI / Support:
Week 1-18: Caber @ 0.5mg 2x / wk. (Before Bed, continue through PCT)
Week 1-14: Arimidex @ 0.25mg / EOD. (up dose to 0.5mg if gyno worsens)
Week 5-14: HCG @ 500iu 2x / wk. (Stop 4 days before PCT)

The PCT:
Week 15-18: Clomid @ 100/50/50/50.
Week 15-18: Nolva @ 40/40/20/20.
Week 15-17: Caber @ 0.5mg 2x / wk.
Week 18: Caber @ 0.5mg 1x / wk.

The Supplements:
Orange Triad Multivitamin 8 tabs/day.
6g Fish Oil
Liv 52 4 tabs/day.
5g creatine (Post Workout)
5g glutamine (Post Workout)

Meal Plan Outline:
MEAL 1
Protein Shake (URG) 2 Scoops: 345cal 30g / 50g / 3g
3 eggs (w/ yolk): 180cal 18g / 0g / 12g
1 cup egg whites: 120cal 26g / 2g / 0g
*Handfull of Spinach*
TOTAL: 645cal 74g / 52g / 15g

MEAL 2
5oz Baked Chicken: 230cal 43g / 0g / 5g
6oz Sweet Potato: 150cal 6g / 36g / 0g
TOTAL: 380cal 49g / 36g / 5g

WORKOUT

Post / Intra Workout
Protein Shake (Probound): 200cal 12g / 24g / 3.5g
TOTAL: 200cal 12g / 24g / 3.5g

MEAL 3 (After Workout)
10oz Baked Chicken: 460cal 86g / 0g / 10g
1cup Chopped Broccoli: 54cal 4g / 12g / 0g
6oz Sweet Potato: 150cal 6g / 36g / 0g
TOTAL: 644cal 96g / 48g / 10g

MEAL 4
10 Asparagus Spears: 30cal 2g / 5g / 0g
10oz Salmon: 580cal 60g / 0g / 30g
TOTAL: 610cal 62g / 2g / 30g

Before Bed
Universal Casein Protein: 234cal 48g / 6g / 1g
TOTAL: 234cal 48g / 6g / 1g

TOTALS:
CALORIES - 2,713
PROTEIN - 341g
CARBS - 168g
FAT - 64.5g

I have a few questions for you guys:
1) If I wanted to add some Anavar at 80mg/ED, would it be best to add at the beginning or the end of the cycle? And for how many weeks?
2) This is somewhat off topic, but I was curious if the shutdown caused by Tren is similar to that of Deca? For example, If I don't experience much of a shutdown on Tren, do you think I'll have relatively the same experience with Deca, considering they're both 19 nors?
3) As for the Proviron, do you think its a better choice then Masteron, if I'm only using it for libido purposes? Also, is it ok to continue using Proviron throughout PCT to help with libido?
4) I've been reading a lot about Clen, and was thinking about running some during this cycle but am not sure if it's a good idea to run alongside some hard AAS like Tren. If I did want to run some, would you recommend running it before the cycle, during the cycle, during PCT, or after the cycle?
5) Is a fasted AM cardio really necessary on workout days, or will I get similar results by just doing it post workout?

Thanks for taking a look! Let me know what you think and if anything should be changed!

[stpete]

Can you elaborate on your weight training and your first cycle? The results you got from first cycle and diet when on? And your proposed diet and PCT needs help. Diet and traing needs to be addressed first. Then we'll go from there.

Thanks.

[Granovich]

Cycle and pct looks good
I say go ahead
Only question why pick long esther
Who not test prop and tren ace since its faster acting and you can start pct sooner

Anavar is good. You can add at beginning of cycle for 6-8 weeks
Clen is good too you can add it although its not great because you are using tren
I read that it helps retain muscle so better used on PCT
Masteron is def better than proviron ( im giving masteron a try next week when i start my cycle)
As for deca and tren e i think its the same cuz both are long esthers
Thats why i prefer tren ace or npp ( short esther deca)
They are out of the system fast and you get to stsrt pct 3-6 days after

I think your diet is too much on carbs thou
When i cut i dont take more than 80g carbs a day and no more than 40g fat a day
But everyone is different

[Etbthree]

Can you elaborate on your weight training and your first cycle? The results you got from first cycle and diet when on? And your proposed diet and PCT needs help. Diet and traing needs to be addressed first. Then we'll go from there.

Thanks.

Yeah sure! Thanks for the quick reply Stpete!

I'll start with a bit more cycle history:

1) For my very first cycle, roughly 2 years ago, I did a basic Test E @ 500mg / wk for 10 weeks and was very pleased with the results. I lost a fair amount of BF and put on a good 10lbs of lean mass that I was able to hold on to post cycle.
PCT: Clomid 100/50/50/50, Nolva 40/20/20/20
AI: Arimidex

2) As for my second cycle, roughly a year later, I used a bit higher dose of Test E @ 600mg / wk for 12 weeks. But, this time around I added Tren E @ 300mg / wk for 10 weeks. I did notice some sides kick in about midway through the cycle, such as sore nipples, but those quickly went away after upping my dose of Arimidex and Caber. I began the cycle with Arimidex @ 0.25mg / EOD, once I noticed gyno sides starting to set in, I upped the dose of Arimidex to 0.5mg / ED for 3 days, then continued that dose EOD throughout the remainder of the cyle. I ran the Caber @ 0.5mg / 2x wk throughout the cycle and continued the use through the PCT.
PCT: Clomid 100/50/50/50, Nolva 40/20/20/20, Caber @ 0.5mg / 2x week.
AI: Arimidex

3) This current cycle plan will be my third cycle, I decided that it would probably be a safe bet to space the cycles about once a year, just to be on the safe side.

Heres more on the Diet info:

1) The first cycle I tried to cut, I ran a 500cal deficit and had roughly the same diet plan as posted above, though I replaced many of the Chicken meals with 95% lean beef, and used oats instead of sweet potatoes. But, I freakin love sweet potatoes so that's why I want to try them this time around.
The diet split was roughly: 2500cal 300g Protein - 150g Carbs - 70g Fat. It may have varried slightly though, its hard to remember exactly because it was a little over two years ago.

2) The second cycle I aimed to Bulk instead of Cut. Instead of a 500cal deficit I thought it was a good idea to go 500cal above my TDEE. Main protein sources being Chicken, 95% lean ground beef and eggs (including egg whites). I ran alot more carbs, nearly 300g a day, mainly coming from oats and brown rice. I ate veggies with most meals, mainly consisting of brocoli, araragus and spinach. I also ate some fruit, usually a banana before working out.
The diet split was roughly: 3,800 - 4,000cal 320g Protein - 300g Carbs - 70g Fat.

3) The diet posted above is what I was planning on running this time around while trying to cut.

Training History:

It's been pretty much the same for a while now, though I've had to modify it a bit after having ACL surgery about a year and a half ago.
I did cardio for 45 mins after my workouts when cutting.
Monday - Shoulders / Traps.
Tuesday - Back / Biceps.
Wednesday - Legs.
Thursday - Chest / Triceps.
Friday - Abs / Core
Saturday - Rest
Sunday - Cardio

Let me know if you want me to go into more detail about my workouts, thats just the general jist of things.

[Etbthree]

Cycle and pct looks good
I say go ahead
Only question why pick long esther
Who not test prop and tren ace since its faster acting and you can start pct sooner

Anavar is good. You can add at beginning of cycle for 6-8 weeks
Clen is good too you can add it although its not great because you are using tren
I read that it helps retain muscle so better used on PCT
Masteron is def better than proviron ( im giving masteron a try next week when i start my cycle)
As for deca and tren e i think its the same cuz both are long esthers
Thats why i prefer tren ace or npp ( short esther deca)
They are out of the system fast and you get to stsrt pct 3-6 days after

I think your diet is too much on carbs thou
When i cut i dont take more than 80g carbs a day and no more than 40g fat a day
But everyone is different

Thanks for your quick reply!
I'm going with the longer esthers simply because I already have the gear because its what was available to me.
I know Anavar is usually considered a mild oral when it comes to liver toxicity, but I thought that 6-8 weeks might be a little long? I may be wrong though.
That is kinda what I thought with clen. I might just hold off until after my PCT once my body is fully done recovering. Though this might change if I get different opinions.
I've read from multiple people that Proviron is the way to go for libido purposes, though I can probably get my hands on Masteron if it really is that much better.
And I agree with the carbs, my diet needs some help, but I'm also a pretty big guy so I feel like the carbs arent TOO high, though I definitely agree my diet layout needs some improvment.

[MickeyKnox]

I agree with Pete.

Drop your Caber in PCT.
Only need to frontload first wk of Nolva.
Reduce your Test E to 1ml (450mg). Thats plenty, and it will also reduce your chances of E2 sides.
Provi is useless, imho. If you want to control ED and libido, manage your E2.
You don't need 100iu of hCG. 250iu2/wk is enough to keep your boys plump.

Your exercise plan looks good.

No comment on your diet as this is not my area.

[Etbthree]

I agree with Pete.

Drop your Caber in PCT.
Only need to frontload first wk of Nolva.
Reduce your Test E to 1ml (450mg). Thats plenty, and it will also reduce your chances of E2 sides.
Provi is useless, imho. If you want to control ED and libido, manage your E2.
You don't need 100iu of hCG. 250iu2/wk is enough to keep your boys plump.

Your exercise plan looks good.

No comment on your diet as this is not my area.

Gotcha, ok I'll drop the caber out of the PCT.
Changed my Nolva plan to 40/20/20/20.
450mg test is really all I need!?
I really want to use the Proviron if I'm going to drop my test dose down, I have to be able to get it up to keep the lady happy! Thats one of my main concerns!
Regarding the HCG, I have a 5,000 bottle of it and once I mix the bac water I feel like I should use 250iu / 2x wk or else the remainer will go to waster! But if 100iu / 2x wk is really all I need I suppose I can let the remainder go.

[MickeyKnox]

Gotcha, ok I'll drop the caber out of the PCT.
Changed my Nolva plan to 40/20/20/20.
450mg test is really all I need!?
I really want to use the Proviron if I'm going to drop my test dose down, I have to be able to get it up to keep the lady happy! Thats one of my main concerns!
Regarding the HCG, I have a 5,000 bottle of it and once I mix the bac water I feel like I should use 250iu / 2x wk or else the remainer will go to waster! But if 100iu / 2x wk is really all I need I suppose I can let the remainder go.

Yes 450 is plenty. You really only need to replace your natural test levels.

Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About TREN.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...!#.UJLsG2fX_fs

Maintaining erections has little to do with Test and more to do with Estrogen levels.

Add 2ml Bac Water to 5000iu of lyophilized hCG and that will give you 250iu of reconstituted hCG at .10 on the slin pin. Begin wk 2 and preload slin pins - freeze half of slin pins. Its always fresh an no waste.

Freezing hCG

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...n#.UJKMCGfX_fs

[MickeyKnox]

And nevermind the Mast. Your BF is too high for you to see any real results.

[stpete]

Once again, MK has it right!

Why do i even come over here? haha...

[MickeyKnox]

Once again, MK has it right!

Why do i even come over here? haha...

To make sure everyone is in line.