Wider Lats?

[Tayman]

I started seeing a big difference by doing pull downs in front. Don't go too wide, you lose some range of motion...go two hand widths outside of your shoulders. Focus on moving the weight with your shoulder blades, rather than your shoulders or arms. Bring the bar all the way down to your chest, and slowly let it back up. It simulates doing chins, but does not seem to put the pressure on my shoulder that wide grip chins puts.

you don't have to give up chinups/pullups. Just don't go so wide. You can still build an immense back without going wide as hell.

[Swellin]

you don't have to give up chinups/pullups. Just don't go so wide. You can still build an immense back without going wide as hell.

Oops, I didn't mean that I gave them up. I just meant that this is a nice thing to use in conjunction with chins. I did give up doing them extremely wide though. Instead of doing really wide chins, I can go wide on the front lat pulls with weight that is less than my body weight. This does not hurt my shoulder like the wide chins.

I agree that one does not have to go extremely wide all of the time to buiold a nice back.