Advice on cutting belly fat

[baseline_9]

Zero lactose. Not low lactose. Read the stickies, you will learn a lot. Tdee is your Total Daily Energy Expenditure. You can figure LBM x 15 = TDEE. That is the number you need to work off of. Subtract 500 or more, and that is your daily caloric intake to cut.

only drink water (eliminate booze as well)
DO NOT EAT WHEAT! or any products containing wheat
eat large amounts of salad/veggies
psyllium husk fiber every day
keep carbohydrate intake to a minimum, and when eating carbs, the more complex the better
do not eat processed foods! enjoy whole foods instead


this is in addition to caloric intake below TDEE

Can either of u guys back these statements up with anything?

Loosing fat comes down to macros..... Food choices are not relevant... Macros matter most

[austinite]

Can either of u guys back these statements up with anything?

Loosing fat comes down to macros..... Food choices are not relevant... Macros matter most

Back up what? Food choices absolutely matter. I'm referring to Carb sources. They're not made equal and most certainly will hinder progress. This doesn't mean you can't lose fat, but definitely should not go ignored. Unless you have all the time in the world, of course.

[baseline_9]

Back up what? Food choices absolutely matter. I'm referring to Carb sources. They're not made equal and most certainly will hinder progress. This doesn't mean you can't lose fat, but definitely should not go ignored. Unless you have all the time in the world, of course.

I disagree..... But I'm up for hearing anyone's theory on how certain food choices cannot be consumed when cutting....

[Times Roman]

Can either of u guys back these statements up with anything?

Loosing fat comes down to macros..... Food choices are not relevant... Macros matter most

Wheat:

My eyes opened when I read a book called "Wheat Belly"

Amazon.com: Wheat Belly: Lose the Wheat, Lose the Weight, and Find Your Path Back to Health (3520700000720): William Davis: Books

anecdotal evidence on my part supports the conclusions of the book.

Here is the issue with wheat. I believe ALL wheat in the USA is now genetically modified to be drought resistant, maximizing yields per acre, yadda yadda....
It used to be that wheat stalks were 6' high back in grandpa's day. Now they are short little stocks 2' high. NOT the same as grandpa's wheat.
Our bodies haven't evolved/adapted to this "new" wheat, and is having a hard time with it. It also does a number of other things, like triggering inflamation, yadda yadda

additionally, if you have been paying attention, we are finding more and more people nowadays that are gluten intolerent. They flat out cannot eat wheat. and the theory extends to the general population where it is suspected a significant % (up to 1 in 3) are partially gluten intolerent.

there are so MANY articles out there on the web, it only takes a few seconds to find them.

here are a few:

Benefits of Not Eating Wheat

What's Wrong with Wheat?

Three Hidden Ways Wheat Makes You Fat | Dr. Mark Hyman

sometimes, you just got to see for yourself. I stopped eating wheat (mostly) and my stomach is now flat. sometimes when I cheat and eat pizza, i will get a distended/beer belly.

It's very noticeable.

Let me know if you have anyother questions, Base...

---Roman

[MrMayhem]

Wheat:
Here is the issue with wheat. I believe ALL wheat in the USA is now genetically modified to be drought resistant, maximizing yields per acre, yadda yadda....
It used to be that wheat stalks were 6' high back in grandpa's day. Now they are short little stocks 2' high. NOT the same as grandpa's wheat.
Our bodies haven't evolved/adapted to this "new" wheat, and is having a hard time with it. It also does a number of other things, like triggering inflamation, yadda yadda

additionally, if you have been paying attention, we are finding more and more people nowadays that are gluten intolerent. They flat out cannot eat wheat. and the theory extends to the general population where it is suspected a significant % (up to 1 in 3) are partially gluten intolerent.

there are so MANY articles out there on the web, it only takes a few seconds to find them.
---Roman

I have to say, most studies on any GMO ANYTHING doesnt look good. I cant believe ppl arent as outraged as me over it.

[baseline_9]

Wheat:

My eyes opened when I read a book called "Wheat Belly"

Amazon.com: Wheat Belly: Lose the Wheat, Lose the Weight, and Find Your Path Back to Health (3520700000720): William Davis: Books

anecdotal evidence on my part supports the conclusions of the book.

Here is the issue with wheat. I believe ALL wheat in the USA is now genetically modified to be drought resistant, maximizing yields per acre, yadda yadda....
It used to be that wheat stalks were 6' high back in grandpa's day. Now they are short little stocks 2' high. NOT the same as grandpa's wheat.
Our bodies haven't evolved/adapted to this "new" wheat, and is having a hard time with it. It also does a number of other things, like triggering inflamation, yadda yadda

additionally, if you have been paying attention, we are finding more and more people nowadays that are gluten intolerent. They flat out cannot eat wheat. and the theory extends to the general population where it is suspected a significant % (up to 1 in 3) are partially gluten intolerent.

there are so MANY articles out there on the web, it only takes a few seconds to find them.

here are a few:

Benefits of Not Eating Wheat

What's Wrong with Wheat?

Three Hidden Ways Wheat Makes You Fat | Dr. Mark Hyman

sometimes, you just got to see for yourself. I stopped eating wheat (mostly) and my stomach is now flat. sometimes when I cheat and eat pizza, i will get a distended/beer belly.

It's very noticeable.

Let me know if you have anyother questions, Base...

---Roman

My biggest problem with these articles that you have posted is just that... They are articles and hold no weight.... They are however rather amusing with some of the terms that they use....

The second problem is that these are mostly related to gluten intolerances and since we're talking about fat loss and not gluten intolerances I don't see how they are relevant....


Again guys I'm not being a cvnt (although you probably think I am lol), I'm simply asking WHY.... Hence my signature... There is too much 'hearsay' floating around the bodybuilding training and nutrition scene and asking someone to explain WHY is a great way to see if something is just 'hearsay/ broscience' or actually backed by data....

[austinite]

My biggest problem with these articles that you have posted is just that... They are articles and hold no weight.... They are however rather amusing with some of the terms that they use....

The second problem is that these are mostly related to gluten intolerances and since we're talking about fat loss and not gluten intolerances I don't see how they are relevant....


Again guys I'm not being a cvnt (although you probably think I am lol), I'm simply asking WHY.... Hence my signature... There is too much 'hearsay' floating around the bodybuilding training and nutrition scene and asking someone to explain WHY is a great way to see if something is just 'hearsay/ broscience' or actually backed by data....

lol, No one thinks that brother. This is a healthy debate and you bring great points. But regardless of the articles, TR stated something very important... "Sometimes you have to see for yourself". This was a conversation that I had a long time ago with Turkish Juicer. My intake at the time was 2200 calories, which included Lactose. I switched gears and removed lactose from my diet, maintained 2200 calories and zero change in workout/cardio routine. The results were almost immediate. This experience for me simply cannot go unnoticed. Maybe my body is different, but the same worked for my brother when he cut lactose out of his diet after a discussion we had.

I agree with you that articles are simply opinions. And until a study proves otherwise, they are just opinions. So for now, I'll continue my research on the topic and hopefully one day I can prove it works satisfactorily via a study. Until then, for me at least, it's not just a opinion, it's a fact.

[baseline_9]

lol, No one thinks that brother. This is a healthy debate and you bring great points. But regardless of the articles, TR stated something very important... "Sometimes you have to see for yourself". This was a conversation that I had a long time ago with Turkish Juicer. My intake at the time was 2200 calories, which included Lactose. I switched gears and removed lactose from my diet, maintained 2200 calories and zero change in workout/cardio routine. The results were almost immediate. This experience for me simply cannot go unnoticed. Maybe my body is different, but the same worked for my brother when he cut lactose out of his diet after a discussion we had.

I agree with you that articles are simply opinions. And until a study proves otherwise, they are just opinions. So for now, I'll continue my research on the topic and hopefully one day I can prove it works satisfactorily via a study. Until then, for me at least, it's not just a opinion, it's a fact.

I'm glad we can have a debate like this without me being the bad guy lol.... It's good, good for everyone

Ok so my comeback to you would be this...


So far we are yet to see (within this thread) a valid metabolic reason to avoid consuming lactose.... However I will take your word for it that when you dropped lactose 'the results were almost immediate' (taking it you mean 'fat loss' (or at least thought you did)....

So based on the fact that one of the common effects seen in lactose intolerant people is 'bloating' wouldn't you consider it more likely that it wasn't that the lactose was causing you to be fatter but it was simply causing you to bloat due to a lactose intolerance (which you may or may not know you have).....

Seeing as fat doesn't simply 'drop off' I'd suggest that your experience where "the results were almost immediate" was probably caused by the cessation of lactose, however the visual effect you noticed we're not caused by a sudden drop in body fat but actually by a sudden drop in 'bloat'....

[austinite]

I'm glad we can have a debate like this without me being the bad guy lol.... It's good, good for everyone

Ok so my comeback to you would be this...


So far we are yet to see (within this thread) a valid metabolic reason to avoid consuming lactose.... However I will take your word for it that when you dropped lactose 'the results were almost immediate' (taking it you mean 'fat loss' (or at least thought you did)....

So based on the fact that one of the common effects seen in lactose intolerant people is 'bloating' wouldn't you consider it more likely that it wasn't that the lactose was causing you to be fatter but it was simply causing you to bloat due to a lactose intolerance (which you may or may not know you have).....

Seeing as fat doesn't simply 'drop off' I'd suggest that your experience where "the results were almost immediate" was probably caused by the cessation of lactose, however the visual effect you noticed we're not caused by a sudden drop in body fat but actually by a sudden drop in 'bloat'....

Although lactose intolerance is very difficult to diagnose, I never really experienced any symptoms. I absolutely love milk and drank it everyday for decades. Never experienced irritable bowels, excessive gas, etc... with or without lactose.

I am the biggest fan of the "Elimination Process". I did it with all my supplements in the past (too many currently to do this). I once found that Magnesium was the culprit of soft stool for me. In the dieting regimen than I had, Milk was the culprit. I should also note that I do not have any allergies.

As for the sudden drop in body fat, bod pod assessments indicated a drop, and I was very happy with that.

I have an appointment with my Endo tomorrow. At this facility they have one of the most knowledgeable and experienced nutritionist and I love talking to her. Mainly because she is super hot but also because she really thinks outside the box and prints out a ton of studies for me each time we discuss nutrition. I will bring this topic up to her tomorrow and get her opinion. This will be fun

But really, I should probably not say it's a fact for everyone. I take more supplements than most people could fathom, and I've added quite a few along the way, so it's possible that something else is doing this. This elimination process would take me several years and that challenge I am not up for I'm just keeping an open mind here.

[DannC]

I have an appointment with my Endo tomorrow. At this facility they have one of the most knowledgeable and experienced nutritionist and I love talking to her. Mainly because she is super hot but also because she really thinks outside the box and prints out a ton of studies for me each time we discuss nutrition. I will bring this topic up to her tomorrow and get her opinion. This will be fun

Now i am really curiouse... let`s see what the "pros" say
Plus i wonder how hot she is... (joke)
Waiting for your post ...

[Times Roman]

My biggest problem with these articles that you have posted is just that... They are articles and hold no weight.... They are however rather amusing with some of the terms that they use....

The second problem is that these are mostly related to gluten intolerances and since we're talking about fat loss and not gluten intolerances I don't see how they are relevant....


Again guys I'm not being a cvnt (although you probably think I am lol), I'm simply asking WHY.... Hence my signature... There is too much 'hearsay' floating around the bodybuilding training and nutrition scene and asking someone to explain WHY is a great way to see if something is just 'hearsay/ broscience' or actually backed by data....

the book itself does cite authoritative references.

Here is the underlying problem when trying to answer the question by citing clinical studies.

Here is the question that is typically being asked:

"Is GM Wheat "safe" to eat?"

Now what exactly does "safe" mean?

Imho, "safe" means will it make you sick, either in the short or long term? and to this, the studies are generally saying NO. GM Wheat will not hurt you.

But we aren't asking that question, are we? We are asking what foods to avoid to reduce belly fat. And belly fat itself is not an illness.

So until there are actual clinical studies that attempt to answer this question, we, as pioneers in what we do, quite often rely heavily on anecdotal evidence, and using ourselves as guinnee pigs.

So all I can tell you Base, is that I've read the material, and tried it out for myself. I wouldn't be advising this if I didn't have personal, first hand experience.

Good question!

---Roman