Recovery question??

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Nice post.

Of course, we lose gain after, if it's due to aromatization and bloating.

I wasnt talking about that kind of "gain" sry if i wasnt clear enough.

I was strictly talking about muscle gain any other weight gain related do not count as gain.

Sry if you felt offended in my way to say things but when you said it's "in their nature" It was weird to me. Because like you said hypertrophy is caused by training not by the compound. So muscle gain made by oral is as good as injectable.

I want to add that alot of people prefer oral over injectable for the reason you said, scared of pinning.
And that situation do not apply to me, Im just very interested in that subject.

Last thing, I don't know how the HPTA will react between 350mg test EW compared to 700mg anavar.
If we look at their androgenic ratio testosterone have 100:100 and anavar(I dont remember exactly) 37:340 So testosterone is 2-3times more androgenic than anavar. So it would take 2-3x more anavar to cause the same supression than testosterone.
Due to the androgenic property of anavar are pretty mild so the supression won't be complete and with testosterone will be complete.
Plus, anavar do not aromatize and oestrogen is a part of the regulation of the hpta. So when we get supress oestrogen will drop if it drops body will stimulate the testosterone by trying to compensate. Of course se will still get supress...

So I personnally thing that anavar will never completly shut down but it certainly may supress a lot.

And by experience I saw so many people abusing of oral without any kind knowledge and still had hard boner and good libido. So I don't think shut down is a concern with dht derivative(oral or injectable).

Thanks for your post, very apreciated and I will certainly look into burts cycle.

[Turkish Juicer]

Nice post.

If we look at their androgenic ratio testosterone have 100:100 and anavar(I dont remember exactly) 37:340 So testosterone is 2-3times more androgenic than anavar. So it would take 2-3x more anavar to cause the same supression than testosterone.
Due to the androgenic property of anavar are pretty mild so the supression won't be complete and with testosterone will be complete.

Plain logic vs facts of male endocrine system: DHT derivatives tend to bind to the AR (androgenic receptors) multiple times more successfully (depending on the compound, of course) than Testosterone. Thus, the fact that Testosterone is more androgenic than DHT compounds (Primobolan, Winstrol, Masteron, Anavar and so forth) doesn't necessarily mean it will cause a further suppression of the HPTA when compared on a mg per mg basis. Again, everyone is different but I know for a fact that 700mg of Anavar EW for 6 weeks will cause a shut-down of my HPTA.

[Turkish Juicer]

Plus, anavar do not aromatize and estrogen is a part of the regulation of the hpta. So when we get supress oestrogen will drop if it drops body will stimulate the testosterone by trying to compensate. Of course se will still get supress...

As it is completely true that estrogen is a part of the regulation of the HPTA and hence elevated estrogen levels play an important role especially in terms of recovery of the HPTA from the prior shut-down, we have modern AIs to maintain normal estrogen levels during any aromatizing cycle. Thus, ''aromatizing compounds vs non-aromatizing compounds'' doesn't really deserve a discussion of its own any longer.

[Turkish Juicer]

And by experience I saw so many people abusing of oral without any kind knowledge and still had hard boner and good libido. So I don't think shut down is a concern with dht derivative(oral or injectable).

Thanks for your post, very apreciated and I will certainly look into burts cycle.

True that. Many people can ''somehow'' get away with high libido and rock hard erections while their HPTA is significantly suppressed during these oral only cycles, but honestly, so many of these miracle workers are on Cialis nowadays that it is really hard to figure out whether it is the daily Cialis use or the oral AAS itself allowing them to have such luck, if you know what I mean. A further tip would be, ''do not take the words of people who use/abuse AAS for granted, whether they are pros or gym rats.''