All I can speak to is clen. I started at 40-80-100-120 then cruised for two weeks my first time. Now I jump on 120/140 right away and stay there. It all depends on how you handle the sides. I have taken 200mcf before and I still barely get shakes, I take 1g of taurine daily for cramps, and 1mg of keto before bed every night.
If you follow this you should have no problem shedding 1-2% bf over a cycle or two of it




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