If you we're me......

[kelkel]

Getting through some more BW at the end of the month and if all is well, as expected, then I may "add" to my TRT a wee bit. So, my question is this:

What would you guys recommend I run and why? Short ester, long ester, what combinations, etc. I rarely cycle anymore (I'm no kid) so excessive doses are not necessary as I would expect a very good response, IMHO. The pic's I post are all current TRT pics as I've never posted an "on cycle" pic. To give you an idea of the condition I maintain.

So, I'm just curious what some members opinions would be. No need to discuss ancillaries, just AAS please. Marcus and I have discussed this so I already have his ideas. I'm thinking out loud here as I'm contemplating competing again. Emphasis on contemplating.....not sure....life's f'n busy!

Thanks in advance,

kel

[Back In Black]

What would your goals be Kel?

[kelkel]

Maintain same condition and add LBM. Simply that. I'll add that I cannot run GH due to a pituitary tumor.

[Bio-Active]

Have you ran Tren before?

[kelkel]

Moderate dose with TRT level test, yes.

[Far from massive]

I would think if you have been discussing this with Marcus you have some pretty solid ideas.

I don't know if you mean you just want to up your test dosage to a blast level or if you seek adding other compounds with more kick to the blend? If you are just adding Test then for me I have been happy just upping my C as opposed to using P and having to pin daily. It seems to me since the Test is already established in the sytem that adding a hefty dose of C causes a pretty rapid increase in Test levels and once the dose is dropped the levels return to normal fairly quickly...I mean I know you still have to cleave the ester and all that but my point is that since you don't have to worry about PCT the fact that some extra Test remains in the body for a couple of weeks is no big deal, so for me its just not worth all the hassle of daily injects of P for the changes that it brings to the game.

As to other compounds,

For one on TRT its hard to beat blasts with TrenA to achieve the lean mass. Myself (a skinny little guy compared to you) I have experienced pretty solid lean gains by adding 350 mg of TrenA to my regular Test C dosage. In the past I had used large amounts of TrenA usually in combination with MastP and while the gains were better, the sides of high BP along with really shitty anger issues made it far from a good decision. However by keeping the TrenA dose in the 350 range this for me has been completely problem free.

Of course if later on you do decide to compete you will most likely want to add MastP and maybe others to the mix but at this point it would probably be best to keep it simple and just see how you get along with one additional compound.

Well thats all I got as said in the beginning I would read what I have to say just for readings sake and then listen/follow what Marcus has to say as its based on a lot more years of experience.

FFM

[crazy mike]

Good Q, and thread started Kel. I have ideas but no experience with this situation and your body type and condition. So tanks I'll take a back seat here and maybe learn something. ...crazy mike

[kelkel]

Thanks FFM. No doubt I value marcus's opinion as we all do. I just would like to here from the collective membership and compare that to my own thoughts as well. Always good to hear different opinions!

[austinite]

I'd just go with deca. Decent gains & easy on your joints.

[600@50]

Kel my only advise would be that you know what has worked for you in the past. It's now up to you as to the dosages of those compounds. We all have our trusted standbys.
Our training and goals are different so I can't help there. Just go with what has worked for you before. Good to hear you "may" compete again.

[AnabolicDoc]

If I looked like you I'd move some place warm and walk around half naked all the time.

[Bio-Active]

If you are planning to compete I would think you want Tren in the mix. Maybe some mast as well? As far as short ester vs long I prefere long so not as much pinning. I find its easy to manage the bloat if you stick to your nutrition plan but that's just me. For a short blast obviously a shorter ester test p and Tren a will get out fast making it faster to level out again after. How soon would you consider competing?

[Lunk1]

You know my vote....oh and some Mast

[Java Man]

Going to watch and learn on this one glif you decide to compete again.

[marcus300]

I'm also thinking of adding to my trt and I think it's going to be low dose deca with long acting test along side some var. Deca to ease my old joints from hit and test to maintain and hopefully build while the var sharpens my lines. Depends what you want from it my friend but why not something similar.

[crazy mike]

Competing again ? way to cool if you can Kel. What a motivator. Damn this 61 yrs. old.
I hope you do, I want to see you diet. ...cm

[kelkel]

I'd just go with deca. Decent gains & easy on your joints.

Well I'm scripted for that but it would not be quite enough. Although I'm sure he'd write me more if I asked.

If I looked like you I'd move some place warm and walk around half naked all the time.

Well thanks, I think!

If you are planning to compete I would think you want Tren in the mix. Maybe some mast as well? As far as short ester vs long I prefere long so not as much pinning. I find its easy to manage the bloat if you stick to your nutrition plan but that's just me. For a short blast obviously a shorter ester test p and Tren a will get out fast making it faster to level out again after. How soon would you consider competing?

This would be more of a fact finding cycle to see how I progress. Not sure when but it would not be this cycle.

You know my vote....oh and some Mast

Yes. Yes I do.

I'm also thinking of adding to my trt and I think it's going to be low dose deca with long acting test along side some var. Deca to ease my old joints from hit and test to maintain and hopefully build while the var sharpens my lines. Depends what you want from it my friend but why not something similar.

Very possible Marcus. I've got no issues with my conditioning as that's just how I am without any special diet or anything. But gaining LBM is just hard for me.

Competing again ? way to cool if you can Kel. What a motivator. Damn this 61 yrs. old.
I hope you do, I want to see you diet. ...cm

Thanks Mike. I'm not young either buddy!

[marcus300]

In the past what compound has built lbm for you.

[fit2bOld]

I'm gonna have to go with Lunk. I like deca and mast. Should provide LBM that looks super hard and marbled.

[Java Man]

I'm gonna have to go with Lunk. I like deca and mast. Should provide LBM that looks super hard and marbled.

Who's arm is that in your av?

[OnTheSauce]

I'd just go with deca. Decent gains & easy on your joints.

Only because Tren doesn't like you.

Tren and mast all day. You can keep your trt dose of test and add a lot of hardness and lbm

[austinite]

Only because Tren doesn't like you.

Tren and mast all day. You can keep your trt dose of test and add a lot of hardness and lbm

He already said he's not running tren... but thanks for the suggestion! lol.

[Lunk1]

He already said he's not running tren... but thanks for the suggestion! lol.

He did?

[10nispro]

What would be wrong with NPP?

[austinite]

He did?

No. Sorry. I misunderstood his response to jim, seems he was talking about competing, not tren.

[OnTheSauce]

Drugs are bad Mmmm kay

[kelkel]

In the past what compound has built lbm for you.

Honestly, food and HIT training. I rarely, rarely cycle and if so it's minimal.

I'm gonna have to go with Lunk. I like deca and mast. Should provide LBM that looks super hard and marbled.

That's tempting....

[Sgt. Hartman]

Kind of a guessing game as you know your body better obviously far better than any of us but.....

If your goal is to maintain condition and add LBM I'd blast with as high a dose of test as you feel comfortable with and low dose nandrolone for some joint relief. Throw in tbol or var if you like to add dht. Short esters, get on, get your work done, get off and repeat if desired.

I havent read through all the responses but I'm sure lots of guys will say tren and mast etc. I'm sure you'd look sick on a cycle like that and no offense intended but I think there are productive but safer and more prudent ways of cycling at your age. Hell don't listen to me I'm on tren right now and wishing I wasn't lol

[kelkel]

Kind of a guessing game as you know your body better obviously far better than any of us but.....

If your goal is to maintain condition and add LBM I'd blast with as high a dose of test as you feel comfortable with and low dose nandrolone for some joint relief. Throw in tbol or var if you like to add dht. Short esters, get on, get your work done, get off and repeat if desired.

I havent read through all the responses but I'm sure lots of guys will say tren and mast etc. I'm sure you'd look sick on a cycle like that and no offense intended but I think there are productive but safer and more prudent ways of cycling at your age. Hell don't listen to me I'm on tren right now and wishing I wasn't lol

Well, best choice would be not to but.../....but wish you weren't? That's funny but kinda sums it up doesn't it. Love-hate relationship.

[AlinSR]

600mg test, 400mg eq, 300mg mast, 200mg npp---------there you go

[Bonaparte]

You could do a Var blast for 6-8 weeks.

[AD]

wow! kel, your conditioning is incredible, and considering you maintain this all year without any gear, its truly amazing! and you dont even do cardio!?!?

if you dont mind me asking, what level of total T are you at with your trt?

[kronik420]

what's your TRT dose?

just times that by 4 and enjoy..

[kelkel]

You could do a Var blast for 6-8 weeks.

I do have some on hand. I haven't done an oral in 20 years!

wow! kel, your conditioning is incredible, and considering you maintain this all year without any gear, its truly amazing! and you dont even do cardio!?!?

if you dont mind me asking, what level of total T are you at with your trt?

60 x 2 per week keeps me over 900. HCG 250 IU x 3. No AI needed.

what's your TRT dose?

just times that by 4 and enjoy..

Simple yet effective!

[clarky.]

It will be interesting to see what you pick kel what would you prefer short or long Easters and you really are in great shape mate.

[songdog]

The 1st thing I would do is put some color on that road map bro Lookin good bro!

[kelkel]

The 1st thing I would do is put some color on that road map bro Lookin good bro!

You're right about that!