First time ever riding a bike, need input on cycle (cliffs)

[Zer0h]

Why do you want to run var alone? Can you tell me what the negative implications are for running var alone?

If you don't know what to take for PCT, how can you possibly propose that you are ready for a cycle?

Why not just run the ECA stack and see where that takes you? 7% body fat and under is going to be very difficult to maintain.

What the hell is with the "riding a bike" and "cliffs"? I thought I was opening a thread about mountain biking.

Oh sorry brah, didn't realize it's not used "lingo" on here. BodyBuilding.com MISC talk... Anyways, it's my understanding that almost 90% of gains made in var are permanent, it will also give me very little water retention. I want a very lean dry look, and it's also very mild hen it comes to the side effects and everything else. I've done one cycle before of just EC and it didn't yield what I was trying to obtain. I'm honestly bigger than 90% of th guys around me with my frame and size, somthing like test would give me 10+ pounds I mass, which is not what I want. I figured var based upon what I've read would be best for my goals. Like i said, I'm not new to the world of bodybuilding or weight training, but this is a entirely different world for me. I've consciously sought out information on a cycle thy would help me reach my goals, and now in trying to make a decision on whether this is right for me or not. I've put on over 50 lbs of mass since I've began lifting and currently am in the best shape of my life, but I'm tryin to reach a great aesthetic physique.

[JWP806]

Oh sorry brah, didn't realize it's not used "lingo" on here. BodyBuilding.com MISC talk... Anyways, it's my understanding that almost 90% of gains made in var are permanent, it will also give me very little water retention. I want a very lean dry look, and it's also very mild hen it comes to the side effects and everything else. I've done one cycle before of just EC and it didn't yield what I was trying to obtain. I'm honestly bigger than 90% of th guys around me with my frame and size, somthing like test would give me 10+ pounds I mass, which is not what I want. I figured var based upon what I've read would be best for my goals. Like i said, I'm not new to the world of bodybuilding or weight training, but this is a entirely different world for me. I've consciously sought out information on a cycle thy would help me reach my goals, and now in trying to make a decision on whether this is right for me or not. I've put on over 50 lbs of mass since I've began lifting and currently am in the best shape of my life, but I'm tryin to reach a great aesthetic physique.

Don't mention that shit hole over here. "Brah" isn't really our lingo either while we're at it.

Who says that 90% of var gains are permanent? Diet is going to be the primary factor as to how much you gain/lose when running a cycle and how much you will maintain once you come off.

Also, do you have any idea how hard it is going to be to maintain sub 7% body fat?

[Zer0h]

Yea I do, it's alot of hard dieting. Somthing I'm used to and know about. Look, this isn't about maintaining my goal, I'm confident in doing that once I get there, I've cut before for Jiu Jitsu and wrestling. My question which ha yet to w answered ITT, is will this cycle generate results my goals want yielded. I'm looking for advice and input from members of this site l, that's all. Your answering questions with questions. Not being a dik, but I took time to write this thread, atleast give me a quality post if you want to even post ITT.

[Dougiefresh7707]

Yea I do, it's alot of hard dieting. Somthing I'm used to and know about. Look, this isn't about maintaining my goal, I'm confident in doing that once I get there, I've cut before for Jiu Jitsu and wrestling. My question which ha yet to w answered ITT, is will this cycle generate results my goals want yielded. I'm looking for advice and input from members of this site l, that's all. Your answering questions with questions. Not being a dik, but I took time to write this thread, atleast give me a quality post if you want to even post ITT.

Sry man your too young a oral only cycle is no good for anyone, your facts on var are warped idk why people say var is so mild in every aspect you goal can be obtained naturally at your age, 7% tho I'm sure you can get there but stay there ? I don't think you want to push daily that hard to maintain that bf.

[Zer0h]

Sry man your too young a oral only cycle is no good for anyone, your facts on var are warped idk why people say var is so mild in every aspect you goal can be obtained naturally at your age, 7% tho I'm sure you can get there but stay there ? I don't think you want to push daily that hard to maintain that bf.

Well thanks m8 I appreciate you atleast giving input. Lets say I were to run a one month cycle on the var, and just this one time, what do you think unwound expect. Also, I've lurked on other forums and been to other sites where just the opposite is said about AAS at a young age, as img as its not abused an used properly, it can be an unbelievable aid. You can take to many aspirin and die, I'm not looking for crazy massive gains, I am gentically blessed but This is somthing I'm still very much Interested (nervous as well) in doing

[Dougiefresh7707]

Well thanks m8 I appreciate you atleast giving input. Lets say I were to run a one month cycle on the var, and just this one time, what do you think unwound expect. Also, I've lurked on other forums and been to other sites where just the opposite is said about AAS at a young age, as img as its not abused an used properly, it can be an unbelievable aid. You can take to many aspirin and die, I'm not looking for crazy massive gains, I am gentically blessed but This is somthing I'm still very much Interested (nervous as well) in doing

I would not recommend var only to anyone, the problem with you hearing the opposite was you were on the site you mentioned, that being said aas won't kill you but not being able to get a hard on, feeling depressed,lethargic etc isn't what you want to do is it? Also HRT won't be fun the rest of your life read up o var not being a mild compound in the stickies do your research first please.

[JWP806]

Yea I do, it's alot of hard dieting. Somthing I'm used to and know about. Look, this isn't about maintaining my goal, I'm confident in doing that once I get there, I've cut before for Jiu Jitsu and wrestling. My question which ha yet to w answered ITT, is will this cycle generate results my goals want yielded. I'm looking for advice and input from members of this site l, that's all. Your answering questions with questions. Not being a dik, but I took time to write this thread, atleast give me a quality post if you want to even post ITT.

I've told you twice now. It all depends on your diet.

It's possible that you could meet your goal. Diet will determine your results. I'm just letting you know it's going to be damn near impossible to maintain sub 7% year round.

[Zer0h]

Ok thank you (Srs) I don't expect to do sub 7 the entire year, for the 3 months injve I nice weather for summer how ever I do... Off season in expect to be 7-8% which is a very manageable goal. I also basically get paid to burn calories all day, my job kicks my ass. Var was appealing in the arena that I'd obviously like To have the results now, but I'm also a firm believer in hard work and patience, never the less, var seems like it would be a good cycle for me to run once and get me where I need, after coming off of it, it'd be able to maintain by simply doing what I do 365/24/7. But the sped up fat loss while also keeping muscle hardness is what turned me into it to begin withZ

This is somthing I've been considering for months and this is the first step I've taken to be proactive on really figuring out whether this is for me or not.

[Dougiefresh7707]

Ok thank you (Srs) I don't expect to do sub 7 the entire year, for the 3 months injve I nice weather for summer how ever I do... Off season in expect to be 7-8% which is a very manageable goal. I also basically get paid to burn calories all day, my job kicks my ass. Var was appealing in the arena that I'd obviously like To have the results now, but I'm also a firm believer in hard work and patience, never the less, var seems like it would be a good cycle for me to run once and get me where I need, after coming off of it, it'd be able to maintain by simply doing what I do 365/24/7. But the sped up fat loss while also keeping muscle hardness is what turned me into it to begin withZ

This is somthing I've been considering for months and this is the first step I've taken to be proactive on really figuring out whether this is for me or not.

Sound like you didn't come here for advice you came to get reassured which isn't gunna happen don't ask for advice if you won't take it. Good luck