Why the hate?? -- Oral Only cycle?!?

[Times Roman]

flaws

"Second, on the same thread, I've been answered that partial shutdown will be easier to recover than complete shutdown
1) being partially suppressed is not that common. Almost always, you will be fully suppressed.


"The amount of aas used: more = more suppression"
2) more aas does not mean "more suppressed". You are either suppressed, or you are not. Being suppressed means not producing testosterone. How can you be more suppressed if you are already NOT producing testosterone?


"The androgenic ratio of the compound: more androgenic = more suppression"
3) where did this come from???

"Estrogen levels: more estrogen = more suppression"
4) and this???? or are you just making this stuff up?

"The duration: Longer it last the bigger the supression will be"
5) Wrong again. the longer the cycle lasts, the longer it will take to recover back to normal hormonal levels

I need to stop at this point.

So take a breath, and please do a rethink on your theories. I think you are a little confused.

Good luck!
---Roman

[songdog]

flaws

"Second, on the same thread, I've been answered that partial shutdown will be easier to recover than complete shutdown
1) being partially suppressed is not that common. Almost always, you will be fully suppressed.


"The amount of aas used: more = more suppression"
2) more aas does not mean "more suppressed". You are either suppressed, or you are not. Being suppressed means not producing testosterone. How can you be more suppressed if you are already NOT producing testosterone?


"The androgenic ratio of the compound: more androgenic = more suppression"
3) where did this come from???

"Estrogen levels: more estrogen = more suppression"
4) and this???? or are you just making this stuff up?

"The duration: Longer it last the bigger the supression will be"
5) Wrong again. the longer the cycle lasts, the longer it will take to recover back to normal hormonal levels

I need to stop at this point.

So take a breath, and please do a rethink on your theories. I think you are a little confused.

Good luck!
---Roman

Good job TR I too get tied of this guys bad advice to new guys.And trying to push his point across with no logic.

[qscgugcsq]

flaws

"Second, on the same thread, I've been answered that partial shutdown will be easier to recover than complete shutdown
1) being partially suppressed is not that common. Almost always, you will be fully suppressed.


"The amount of aas used: more = more suppression"
2) more aas does not mean "more suppressed". You are either suppressed, or you are not. Being suppressed means not producing testosterone. How can you be more suppressed if you are already NOT producing testosterone?


"The androgenic ratio of the compound: more androgenic = more suppression"
3) where did this come from???

"Estrogen levels: more estrogen = more suppression"
4) and this???? or are you just making this stuff up?

"The duration: Longer it last the bigger the supression will be"
5) Wrong again. the longer the cycle lasts, the longer it will take to recover back to normal hormonal levels

I need to stop at this point.

So take a breath, and please do a rethink on your theories. I think you are a little confused.

Good luck!
---Roman

Thanks alot for your enlightning.

1) I meant like being at 50% of his normal testosterone production instead of 100%.
Interesting, however I do not feel comfortable with that Idea... I mean being fully suppress for me means you don't produce testosterone anymore or minimal amount. I though that was less common than just being partially suppress... You can be suppress to different levels right??? once you are shutdown now you can't be more shutdown, this is obvious.

2) I think I just express myself wrong on that one. Like said above, I meant like losing 50% of our production instead of 30% etc. I don't think we completely shutdown the same day that we start. It go progressively.

3)Yeah that One I jsut though it was making sense I jsut shouldnt haev include this one without any further research XD

4) That one I've read it in my medical book, I may be totally wrong I'll go check again and come back with it.

5) once again I express myself wrong, but the point is still there. (english is not my native language obviously) so sometime I'm not that clear.

I'll edit and check again the 4.

Thanks for your comment.

[qscgugcsq]

flaws

"Estrogen levels: more estrogen = more suppression"
4) and this???? or are you just making this stuff up?

Good luck!
---Roman

Yeah, you are right, I confused 2 systems of retro-inhibition. I've already edited, it. Thanks

I have already very appreciated your answers and would like to be proved wrong again XD.

Do you see any other obvious flaw? or the rest seems to have sense?

[AnabolicDoc]

flaws

"Second, on the same thread, I've been answered that partial shutdown will be easier to recover than complete shutdown
1) being partially suppressed is not that common. Almost always, you will be fully suppressed.


"The amount of aas used: more = more suppression"
2) more aas does not mean "more suppressed". You are either suppressed, or you are not. Being suppressed means not producing testosterone. How can you be more suppressed if you are already NOT producing testosterone?


"The androgenic ratio of the compound: more androgenic = more suppression"
3) where did this come from???

"Estrogen levels: more estrogen = more suppression"
4) and this???? or are you just making this stuff up?

"The duration: Longer it last the bigger the supression will be"
5) Wrong again. the longer the cycle lasts, the longer it will take to recover back to normal hormonal levels

I need to stop at this point.

So take a breath, and please do a rethink on your theories. I think you are a little confused.

Good luck!
---Roman

Hey TR, nice response. I read the OP on my phone and was just waiting for someone to respond. But one thing, in regards to this:
"Estrogen levels: more estrogen = more suppression"
my understanding is that estrogen is about 200x as suppressive to the HPTA as testosterone. So I thought there was so validity to his statement, just oversimplified.