Endo wants to try HCG to kick start natural production

[jay adams]

My Endo called today and asked if I want to try and use HCG to get my body to produce naturally. I'm 37 by the way. He says we can try it for three weeks and then do blood work. I believe he said we'll use 500iu's three times a week.

I'm worried if I get close to 400 or something he might tell me that's good enough and cut me off going by numbers alone. IDK though. After three weeks we can do more blood work and check it out.

I'm wondering if it's something I should try. I'm not sure if my blood work here will tell a story. I just want to get this handled now. My regular doc gave me 100mg injection of test cyp on Wednesday and I started feeling kinda good yesterday and today. Now I have to put off test treatment for three weeks or so.???

Here's my blood again. If anyone can chime in with an opinion I'd greatly appreciate. Thanks.

DHEA-Sulfate 185 ug/dL 80-560

Estradiol 30 pg/mL 12-41

***Hemoglobin A1C W/EAG**

NOTE]
Hgb A1c Result Interpretation: 5.1 % <6.5
<5.7 Normal
5.7-6.4 Increased risk for diabetes
>6.4 Diagnostic for diabetes
<7.0% ADA guideline for good control

Estimated Ave. Glucose 100

***Testosterone Profile***
Testosterone, Total 272 ng/dL 160-726
Sex Hormone Binding Gl 28.0 nmol/L 9-54
Testosterone, Free 5.8 ng/dL 2-13.5
Testosterone, % Free 2.1 % 1.47-3.21 Testosterone, Bioavail 136.4 ng/dL 48-317
Testosterone, % Bioavailable 50.1 % 34.5-75.3

[powerlifterty16]

my doc is doing something similar. he wants me on hcg 350 iu 3x per week ofr 6 weeks. ive been taking 400 iu on most days because after 6 weeks im gonna have to throw a lot out....
ive taken 5 shots so far and dont feel different..but we will see what the numbers say

[jay adams]

That's what im worried about "not feeling different". I almost want to tell him no thanks but that could be lame if my body starts to function correctly. I just don't have much faith im gonna be producing numbers above 500 in three weeks and I'm tired of feeling like crap.

How old are you Power Lifter if you don't mind?

[HRTstudent]

lots of guys don't "feel different" even if they go from 200 T to 900, including me. things take time.

if an HCG restart gets your T elevated then I say go for it. there are many positives to having "naturally" high testosterone without any of the drawbacks to having to be prescribed and regularly inject a controlled substance such as testosterone.

[jay adams]

I see what you mean about not feeling different over night. Im talking about not feeling sleepy all the time and just in the gutter. I think you're right. I should def give it a shot. Three weeks isn't that long seeing I've been feeling run down for over a year now.

[ppwc1985]

My lowt dr is wanting to do same with me due to LH levels being normal.

[jay adams]

My LH is normal also.

[powerlifterty16]

my lh was normal too. what were your lh numbers?
jay, im 23 btw how old are you?

[Vettester]

My LH is normal also.

Then why take HCG? HCG is just an exogenous form of the LH analog. If LH is normal and testosterone is low, then the diagnosis is more than likely to be 'primary hypo'; meaning failure at the testicular/leydig level.

[ppwc1985]

Then why take HCG? HCG is just an exogenous form of the LH analog. If LH is normal and testosterone is low, then the diagnosis is more than likely to be 'primary hypo'; meaning failure at the testicular/leydig level.

Now I can't remember exactly what he said, lol but my dr told me that my LH should high. He said my test may not have came back fully after my last cycle which ended in oct which was my pct. think it was that the LH would keep pumping trying to signal the testes to produce. Idk it was something like that.

[jay adams]

(PowerLifter) I'm 37. My LH is

5.3. mIU/mL. 1.7 - 8.6

(Vet) I was told the same thing from another poster. I've never done a cycle "yet".
I use to tour in a band and we partied hard. For years I partied like a madman. Still worked out to try and maintain some kind of balance. My Endo thinks all the years of partying is what caused it. Thats just speculation though.

If it's primary I just want to get on with business and get healthy.

[powerlifterty16]

my lh was 5.2...so very similar...but on old tests, it has been as low as 2.0 and in the 4.6 range...lh is in pulses and varies.

my doc said something similar..that if i were primary my lh would be way high. my dad has an lh of 5.6 and his fsh is 24...im guessing he may be primary witha 320 test level.

[powerlifterty16]

doc said there was a faulty wiring between my hpta system, and my testicles and the hcg may reconnect them....i thought it was broscience..but lowtmike and anabolic doc said it could work....i figured icould give it a try, and if it doesnt the fight begins to get these hardassed doctors to prescribe trt lol

[powerlifterty16]

lowtmike sent me this
The dosage of HCG you are doing shouldnt affect E2 at all. HCG 6 weeks is good. Even though we are just mimicing LH. Think of it like jumpstarting a motorcycle. Rolling a bike in neutral then kicking into first starts the engine when the battery is dead. Same thing. Kick testicles in with mimicing LH then the negative feedback loop of the HPTA will fire up considering everything is working properly. If it dosent then you have something else going on. MRI of pituitary, have you abused opiods, pain killers? even using on the weekends for a little while can wreck havoc on the HPTA. Any blunt trauma to head or testicles? These are things that I would start chasing down if 6 weeks of HCG dosent return your levels to normal. Talk with your doctor about these.

[jay adams]

Wow! Maybe all the partying did have something to do with it. Im wondering if three weeks is long enough for me to get everything up and running??? Also, I did abuse some opiates. Alcohol was abused very bad for about ten years.

I guess I'll have to try the HCG treatment. You're so young PowerLifter. I really hope this works for you brotha.

[powerlifterty16]

thanks..besides a shitty diet.. i am drug and alcohol free lol

[jay adams]

I think I'm feeling better cause of my diet this week. I've been using the "cutting thread" in the nutrition forum. I feel freaking great. Plus I quit partying last year. Im still healing from all the damage I did to my body. My Endo can't believe I'm as healthy as I am.haha.

I adopted a diet from Cybergenics when I was in my early teens and it always stuck with me. I think that's what kept me halfway healthy. Wasn't that the good ol' days! Cybergenics had a bad ass diet concept and some junk supplements for sale for 100 bucks.lol

[ppwc1985]

I think I'm feeling better cause of my diet this week. I've been using the "cutting thread" in the nutrition forum. I feel freaking great. Plus I quit partying last year. Im still healing from all the damage I did to my body. My Endo can't believe I'm as healthy as I am.haha.

I adopted a diet from Cybergenics when I was in my early teens and it always stuck with me. I think that's what kept me halfway healthy. Wasn't that the good ol' days! Cybergenics had a bad ass diet concept and some junk supplements for sale for 100 bucks.lol

Dam, cybergenics was first real program me and my bro used. When you put it all together with the diet and workout regimen it worked. I went from 185 to 215 at below 10% bf. I made better progress off that than aas. We was eating a boatload food.

[jay adams]

Man, I was 12% bf after completing it. Gained tons of strength too from working to failure. The diet was top notch. Those supplements though.haha. I did like the Vortex sustained release aminos.

Also, I had wrestling buddies who were on aas and they thought I was too.

[ppwc1985]

Man, I was 12% bf after completing it. Gained tons of strength too from working to failure. The diet was top notch. Those supplements though.haha. I did like the Vortex sustained release aminos.

Also, I had wrestling buddies who were on aas and they thought I was too.

Yep I had a lot ppl in the gym asking if I was juicing and gonna compete. But on a bad note I did a second cycle of it and my bf went down to 3-4 % and my side started hurting went to hospital and was put in due to the fact the dr said due toy low bf my organs were shutting down and they started pumping crap into me to bring it back up. He said I was lucky I didn't die, so I never went under 10% after that. Just not worth the risk unless u competing. But yea we was eating 8 times aday and I think I was at 5000-6000 cals but it burned bf like crazy if you followed that workout. It wasn't for the weak, shit was hard, I still will use some of it to shock myself every now and then. But to old for that.

[Trific]

doc said there was a faulty wiring between my hpta system, and my testicles and the hcg may reconnect them....i thought it was broscience..but lowtmike and anabolic doc said it could work....i figured icould give it a try, and if it doesnt the fight begins to get these hardassed doctors to prescribe trt lol

You wouldn't have to fight to get TRT cause you always have E. Barry

[powerlifterty16]

You wouldn't have to fight to get TRT cause you always have E. Barry

walked out on him when i was 19, and wrote bad reviews abut him on vitals.com lol.
i also spoke to my dad's classmate from highschool today at costco(he's a urologist...a reallly bad moronic urologist)...and he was telling us gordon's getting arrested...
but this guy told us that last month also..and said he knows my urologist, and he has killed people...and called my urologist a quack for giving me hcg....guy is a terrible urologistmy dad's classmate)....but what can you expect from a guy who was not smart enough to go to an american school?

[Trific]

You're getting to know TRT pretty well, if you ever decide that's what you want to do you could visit E Barry and say the things you have to have to be a patient and ask him if he'll comply....he just might and you also have that antiaging doc that does the HCG diet, he might do what you want.

[powerlifterty16]

You're getting to know TRT pretty well, if you ever decide that's what you want to do you could visit E Barry and say the things you have to have to be a patient and ask him if he'll comply....he just might and you also have that antiaging doc that does the HCG diet, he might do what you want.

i actually walked oiut on him many yrs ago because he wouldnt check bloods and only went by how i felt..wouldnt check estrogen, told me i could come off after a trial and be fine, doesnt do hcg and ai....also he is far from my house...the anti aging doctor may be an option but he prefers gels..although ill just tell him i have a gf lol.

the uro i see is 3 mins from my house, and gives hcg so...
im also seeing an endo in august..female though..and she went to a foreign school