first cycle ever. advices for cycle(s) + PCT and OCT

[qscgugcsq]

thanks again for replies

yes i read that test prop is going to be painful on virgin muscles, but i am pain tollerant (and oxycodone will surely help, as said i already take it for chronic pain)
with that diet i gained 7kg - 15 pound in 10 weeks (after adding in maltodex-dextrose post wo)

as said i already never meant to run them before reaching 65kg... i have to take oxy every day for chronic pain and i know very well what is the meaning of withdrawal and side effect... so i'm not looking to jeoparadize my health without getting a result.
so i'll wait to hit the 70kg, even if i think that will be my limit (unless i try to add more kcal diet but that will not be easy at all )

just for info... beside pain and ed or eod injection why is test prop not suitable for a first cycle ? i'm ok with both pain and ed injections

Their is absolutely nothing wrong with using prop as first cycle.

Normally virgin muscle will hurt more in presence of solvent.
Testosterone propionate have more solvent than enanthate(who have almost none...)

plus, a newbies will be less attrated to EOD injection.

If you are fine with EOD/ED injection it's fine.
However the pip may become an issue if the content of solvent is too high(normally associated with high concentration), or poor quality product.

Their is good lab with "painless" prop.

It will probably still hurt a bit, if it's unbearable you can still heat the oil(I won't say anything on the method because I'm not sure how to do it myself.) and inject slowly.

I personally think that prop is as good if not better than test-e for a first cycle.

[rasmioche]

I had a spinal fusion of my L4L5- S1 and I as well take oxycodone. Trust me it doesn't do anything for post injection pain bro. Ive had HG prop and it made my glutes swell up like a baseball everytime. Hard to sleep and sit down. Some say it will subside after multiple injections. I did a 22 week cycle, and it was the same throughout.

i'm sorry for your injury man. i see for oxy... well too bad if it doesen't help

You're 23 years old AND weigh half as much as most of our warm up sets on bench. Not trying to insult you but you're going to do far more harm than good if you start using at this point in your life, especially with your stats. Spend the money you'd be spending on gear on more calories and weight training equipment. Just my 2 cents.

yes my stats now are absolutely not good. as i was told earlier i will have to reach at least 70kg, this means that i will only have to be 5kgs more than what i was 4-5 months ago... nothing impossible. i know my actual stats are very bad guys, but situation here in egypt is really crappy, getting food isn't as simple as it can sound, food quality... well let's just skip that, and absolutely no training resulted in a 7kg loss.

Their is absolutely nothing wrong with using prop as first cycle.

Normally virgin muscle will hurt more in presence of solvent.
Testosterone propionate have more solvent than enanthate(who have almost none...)

plus, a newbies will be less attrated to EOD injection.

If you are fine with EOD/ED injection it's fine.
However the pip may become an issue if the content of solvent is too high(normally associated with high concentration), or poor quality product.

Their is good lab with "painless" prop.

It will probably still hurt a bit, if it's unbearable you can still heat the oil(I won't say anything on the method because I'm not sure how to do it myself.) and inject slowly.

I personally think that prop is as good if not better than test-e for a first cycle.

i see thanks

the test i was going to get is a solution of testosterone propinate 25mg/ml + vit E 50mg/ml comming in 1ml amps

so it's a very low concentration... if i ever planned on injecting 300-350mg ew splitted in ed injections that would be
4 amps a day, so 4ml. would that still hurt like more high concentrated solutions ? still just for information, as this is the only test i can get here

[qscgugcsq]

i see thanks

the test i was going to get is a solution of testosterone propinate 25mg/ml + vit E 50mg/ml comming in 1ml amps

so it's a very low concentration... if i ever planned on injecting 300-350mg ew splitted in ed injections that would be
4 amps a day, so 4ml. would that still hurt like more high concentrated solutions ? still just for information, as this is the only test i can get here

... well, I don't think at that concentration it will hurt however that much ampule if you are not used to it may increase the risk of an infection.(I hate amps.)
You can get anything no matter where you are... (except Australia, Australia is a pain in the ass...)
their is plenty of great lab online who ship internationally.

IDK how much you pay your vial(I don't wanna know) but I'm 99% sure you can get vial way cheaper.

normally prop is 100mg/ml (who makes far less volume to inject), if too painful you can cut it with sterile oil or B12.

the recommended dose for first cycle is 400-600mg/week.