I am seeing that some are finding real Jin's on this thread, but the Jin's i had came from a gensci site "not sure if same site as others used" and had all the authentication etc. and were horribly counterfeit. It has been gone over on another thread on this forum so i do not want to stir things up or confuse anyone. Also, mine were not the ukranian jins, they were chinese and it was around 3 years back i believe.