Keeping Gains

[calstate23]

If you read MARCUS DIARY in the lounge section Haz does go into detail about all of this
If it wasn't Saturday and I didn't have the kids I would locate and link this for you.

I think what he's wrote has somehow been misconstrued possibly
I know he's spoken in past of being BIG using hormones
Then he had some personal things and took some time away from training/ hormone usage etc
Now he's getting back into it properly again and leaning out and gaining lbm

I may be wrong but that's how I read it.

But Haz is no liar buddy trust me

It's NOT even a conversation....I don't care if he's your best friend or your brother...Fact are Facts and they don't add up...It's fake, it's a lie, it's NOT real...

Sorry to break the news...But what he says, FIRST off isn't possible...SECONDLY , the picture he showed was someone on hormones WITHOUT A DOUBT IN MY MIND...

You could hang me if I was wrong but I'm not...I'm right

[calstate23]

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[calstate23]

You can bring a horse to water but you can't make them drink......

You all have BLINDERS on and you're not seeing the full picture.....Bring the House Down if you get my drift

[calstate23]

I'm sorry but man when people claim something that IS NOT TRUE it really bursts my bubble.....

Instigates me to the highest point.....

[tarmyg]

This is a super interesting thread. I can not stop following it.

~T

[calstate23]

This is a super interesting thread. I can not stop following it.

~T

Well then......

[panntastic]

It's NOT even a conversation....I don't care if he's your best friend or your brother...Fact are Facts and they don't add up...It's fake, it's a lie, it's NOT real...

Sorry to break the news...But what he says, FIRST off isn't possible...SECONDLY , the picture he showed was someone on hormones WITHOUT A DOUBT IN MY MIND...

You could hang me if I was wrong but I'm not...I'm right

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You can bring a horse to water but you can't make them drink......

You all have BLINDERS on and you're not seeing the full picture.....Bring the House Down if you get my drift

I'm sorry but man when people claim something that IS NOT TRUE it really bursts my bubble.....

Instigates me to the highest point.....

Buddy I live in England I have never met Haz but have spoken on here a few times
Your going to say someone like Kel can't look like he does without cardio next?
Everybody is different
Your opinions valid everyone's allowed one but to just say he's straight up talking shit that's disrespectful
You PM'd him or anything or just thought **** it lets have it out in the open?

[calstate23]

Buddy I live in England I have never met Haz but have spoken on here a few times
Your going to say someone like Kel can't look like he does without cardio next?
Everybody is different
Your opinions valid everyone's allowed one but to just say he's straight up talking shit that's disrespectful
You PM'd him or anything or just thought **** it lets have it out in the open?

What don't you get though about NORMAL RANGE?

Yes, EVERYONE is different....But you can't break biological facts...I know the barrier of what is possible from the best of the best...I know what the best of the best look like on hormones....

Just like my little flower story I mentioned earlier, you can't COMPLETELY change something with steroids....BUT you can wit gh, slin, and on and on.....

But that picture is NOT someone NATURAL..I don't care if it's him or not...That's NOT natty, it's NOT possible

[spiralkut]

What don't you get though about NORMAL RANGE?

Yes, EVERYONE is different....But you can't break biological facts...I know the barrier of what is possible from the best of the best...I know what the best of the best look like on hormones....

Just like my little flower story I mentioned earlier, you can't COMPLETELY change something with steroids....BUT you can wit gh, slin, and on and on.....

But that picture is NOT someone NATURAL..I don't care if it's him or not...That's NOT natty, it's NOT possible

can you post this picture you keep mentioning

[calstate23]

can you post this picture you keep mentioning

It's on first page...

[calstate23]

I will say one thing....

And the ONLY WAY possible for that person to NOT be on hormones is if they were competing at a National level or higher and it was a SEMI recent pic.....

Other then that..There is hormone use WITHOUT a doubt in my mind...

[marcus300]

I'm sorry but this has been killin me for hours and hours and I can't let you slip by....

This is BS to the FULLEST extent...Come on man, apparently people aren't smart around here or don't know what their talking about...But I can't let this slip by....

EVERYTHING you mentioned is fake...I know bodybuilding INSIDE AND OUT and this statement is just VERY VERY WRONG...

You are NOT what you speak of....It's IMPOSSIBLE!

What you fail to comprehend is that not everyone responds in the same way, you may well not be able to do something but the next person with better genetics can. Nothing in this game is static and your so ridged your failing to see the bigger picture. I cant comment for Haz but I can bring something to the table here.

I went steroid free for 4 yrs and even though I did have a hard time with holding weight and muscle while I got my trt right and other mental pressure in my life I did get back to over 240lbs+ at around 13-15% bf on trt alone. That's a fact not BS and I did this through being consistent with hard training and having an extremely ridged diet, I built back to what I was very close when I was cycling, without doubt I didn't look the same but I was holding some serious tissue for a simple trt.

I put this down to how I train, the amount of hgh and aas ive took over the years and also my spirit and dedication to not let anything beat me achieving my goals. A lot of the pictures you posted are of people who had serious health problems that's why they lost so much weight and size or even died. Look at Dorian now he still carries some serious size for just trt and other people can achieve this so I wouldn't knock anyone all because its impossible for you to do it.

Open your eyes and take a look around no one here has anything to gain by lying.

[Flagg]

Calstate.

So, Chris Cormier looks like a "mere mortal now", which means everyone would look like him if they were on, then stopped.

By that logic, everyone should hate the taste of mushrooms like I do. You seem to think we are all receptive in the same way.

While your flower analogy might have some merit, flowers of one species are largely homogenous in appearance,more uniform while humans have more heterogeneity in physical appearence.

[Hazard]

I'm sorry but this has been killin me for hours and hours and I can't let you slip by....

This is BS to the FULLEST extent...Come on man, apparently people aren't smart around here or don't know what their talking about...But I can't let this slip by....

EVERYTHING you mentioned is fake...I know bodybuilding INSIDE AND OUT and this statement is just VERY VERY WRONG...

You are NOT what you speak of....It's IMPOSSIBLE!

Sorry to disappoint you..... I was very disappointed in myself with how much size I lost but I had a daughter and had to raise her by myself. I had 0 time for the gym.

Believe it or not..... I really don't care. I've got nothing to prove to you or anyone else...... A few select members have kept in touch with me via text and a few have even hung out with me during that time and they can tell you for themself if they see the thread.

[Hazard]

No, but there is a MAJOR difference of what's possible for someone and what's not....

Apparently, I could be wrong but he "floats" between 10-12% at 255 lbs...Yet he came off of hormones and is same weight and same bf%?

If he was "so-called" 10-12% bf on hormones he BETTER be A LOT higher in bf% off hormones...You can't pull the SAME numbers on hormones as a natty...NO WAY, NO HOW....

Just look at his pic and ANY KNOWLEDGEABLE person can see hormone use there...Why even try to lie?

It's RIDICULOUS

Lol I never said I was 255 at 12% still! At one point Durring my off time I was 234. I have no idea what I weighed in that pic but I wasn't on any aas..... That's a fact.

I'm currently 254 and yes my bodyfat is higher..... As I stated. I'm currently hammering cardio to get back to 12% or below

[Hazard]

I will say one thing....

And the ONLY WAY possible for that person to NOT be on hormones is if they were competing at a National level or higher and it was a SEMI recent pic.....

Other then that..There is hormone use WITHOUT a doubt in my mind...

I'll take that as one of the best compliments I've ever had

I have no reason to lie..... I've been very forward with my aas use from day one. I talk about dosages, cycle lengths, anything..... I have nothing to gain by saying "I wasn't on" - if it angers you I'm sorry. I'm not lying tho

Now that I'm back...... Things are going to get crazy

[jimmyinkedup]

What you fail to comprehend is that not everyone responds in the same way, you may well not be able to do something but the next person with better genetics can. Nothing in this game is static and your so ridged your failing to see the bigger picture. I cant comment for Haz but I can bring something to the table here.

I went steroid free for 4 yrs and even though I did have a hard time with holding weight and muscle while I got my trt right and other mental pressure in my life I did get back to over 240lbs+ at around 13-15% bf on trt alone. That's a fact not BS and I did this through being consistent with hard training and having an extremely ridged diet, I built back to what I was very close when I was cycling, without doubt I didn't look the same but I was holding some serious tissue for a simple trt.

I put this down to how I train, the amount of hgh and aas ive took over the years and also my spirit and dedication to not let anything beat me achieving my goals. A lot of the pictures you posted are of people who had serious health problems that's why they lost so much weight and size or even died. Look at Dorian now he still carries some serious size for just trt and other people can achieve this so I wouldn't knock anyone all because its impossible for you to do it.

Open your eyes and take a look around no one here has anything to gain by lying.

Thank you so much for pointing this out. I immediately thought this when I saw those pics. Using them as examples without mentioning or considering what you just pointed out is pretty foolish and a very misleading way to support your position.

[MajorPectorial]

Lol I never said I was 255 at 12% still! At one point Durring my off time I was 234. I have no idea what I weighed in that pic but I wasn't on any aas..... That's a fact.

I'm currently 254 and yes my bodyfat is higher..... As I stated. I'm currently hammering cardio to get back to 12% or below

This is what I understood. Can't see where hazard said he'd stayed exactly the same. What I gathered was he'd lost a bit of mass n gained some bf...

(N I don't know the guy personally btw)

[Brazensol]

Calstate.

So, Chris Cormier looks like a "mere mortal now", which means everyone would look like him if they were on, then stopped.

By that logic, everyone should hate the taste of mushrooms like I do. You seem to think we are all receptive in the same way.

While your flower analogy might have some merit, flowers of one species are largely homogenous in appearance,more uniform while humans have more heterogeneity in physical appearence.

You would not make a very good hobbit! lol.

[Hazard]

For the record Flagg...... I hate mushrooms too lol

[Matt]

I'll take that as one of the best compliments I've ever had

I have no reason to lie..... I've been very forward with my aas use from day one. I talk about dosages, cycle lengths, anything..... I have nothing to gain by saying "I wasn't on" - if it angers you I'm sorry. I'm not lying tho

Now that I'm back...... Things are going to get crazy

Yeap, i'd take it as a great compliment.....

[Hazard]

Yeap, i'd take it as a great compliment.....

I honestly don't even think I look that big in the pic. I posted it to show that I lost weight (compared to my avi) but I still looked fit. Which is sorta what the thread is about...... I didn't keep everything...... I lost quite a bit but was still able to look fit.

The v-neck probably doesn't help lmao

[Flagg]

For the record Flagg...... I hate mushrooms too lol

I knew there was a reason we got along! New topic for meeting of the minds thread..

[Flagg]

You would not make a very good hobbit! lol.

I've eaten Quorn which is surprisingly quite nice, but mushrooms....jesus. The smell, look, taste, texture....massive no no's for me.

[calstate23]

Lol I never said I was 255 at 12% still! At one point Durring my off time I was 234. I have no idea what I weighed in that pic but I wasn't on any aas..... That's a fact.

I'm currently 254 and yes my bodyfat is higher..... As I stated. I'm currently hammering cardio to get back to 12% or below

Well, perhaps I misunderstood you but it seemed like you were contradicting the "holding 20 lbs of lean muscle"...To me you're statement made it sound like...I'm natural and I did...

Then I continued with an example with a rise in 7% bf at same weight and how it's really not possible....Then you came back and made it seem like I was wrong, in which I wasn't...

[calstate23]

Thank you so much for pointing this out. I immediately thought this when I saw those pics. Using them as examples without mentioning or considering what you just pointed out is pretty foolish and a very misleading way to support your position.

Yes, I know...Lots of Kidney problems...

But I just wanted to show people freaks....Although their sick it still comes down to no diet, no training, and no hormones and this is what these guys can look like...

Dorian is an Insulin freak and by no means is he just using a TRT dose...Other hormones are involved...

[calstate23]

And can anyone explain Dexter then?

What Dex should look like in reality is his 1992 contest...That's him Pre-Hormone...

[OnTheSauce]

EVERYONE loves to talk about body types and who can or can't be a "Bodybuilder"

here is one for ya'll

Dexter Jackson 1992 ectomorph

<img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=143005"/>

I've said it ONCE, I've said it TWICE, genetics DON'T matter....Just a LIL bit, if you get my drift...

So Dexter from 1992 to Dexter Mr. Olympia in 2008....Hmmm Hmmm WEIRD...Not to me...

<img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=143006"/>

Had nothing to do with 16yrs more training of course

[Hazard]

And can anyone explain Dexter then?

What Dex should look like in reality is his 1992 contest...That's him Pre-Hormone...

I'm friends with a former competitor who's since opened a chain of nutrition stores. He was in the competitive circuit for a long time..... He's friends with gaspari to this day. They've trained together for a while.

In his words..... "I've moved on. I've been there and done that. I don't need to be a monster all the time. I'm done competing and I've got a business to run. My health an business are more important than my ego"

We all know that no one can maintain this mass monster size forever..... But these guys have reached a level that most of us dream of. They've been there and I'm betting most just don't feel the need to stay huge. Bodybuilding at that level isn't healthy for the body so I'd imagine a reality check hit them and they're just happy to still be involved with the sport on some level.

[austinite]

I think a lot of folks are discounting prolonged HGH use which permanently modifies structure. So while they may not carry as much actual muscle, their frames are larger than when they started; giving the appearance of retention. This is somewhat blinding to the reality of muscle retention.

[5x10]

I seriously doubt it. I've killed deca and still maintained for those 6 weeks. 150mg of deca won't save anything but your synovial joints. Again, you'd be surprised and amazed how much you can grow naturally. We're all just blinded by steroids.

I've never had problems growing naturally, but 250 mgs of test, 200mgs of deca out about 15-20 lbs on me in no time
And I'm continuing to make gains with the same doses

There is little debate, IMO, that low dosed cycles > natty

[austinite]

I've never had problems growing naturally, but 250 mgs of test, 200mgs of deca out about 15-20 lbs on me in no time
And I'm continuing to make gains with the same doses

There is little debate, IMO, that low dosed cycles > natty

250 test and 250 deca add 15 to 20 lbs of muscle on you? I can see that happen over 4 years. If you're talking about a cycle, say 14 weeks, well not even 10 grams of deca/test can add that much muscle. Anyway. It really doesn't matter. My only pint was I can come off of TRT and maintain what I have now. And who knows, I may be at my limit.

[marcus300]

Yes, I know...Lots of Kidney problems...

Dorian is an Insulin freak and by no means is he just using a TRT dose...Other hormones are involved...

You have no idea what health issues Dorian has or is going through yet you make assumption just of the top of your head, you simple haven't a clue what the hell your talking about. All because you cant do something don't think someone who has probably one of the best generics on the planet cant.

Your personality has changed over the last year your far more angry and very argumentative, you use to be an excellent contributor to this forum but what ever rec drugs you are talking are changing you, why don't you just take a look at that and listen to what I am saying because your previous posts sound like they have come from someone who is drug fuel.

Many people can hold onto good amounts of muscle tissue by trt alone, ive done it and many do it and its down to many factors like how long you been training, the amounts of hgh/aas used in your history, the way you train, your diet, genetics and the drive and mental focus someone has to succeed. You may not be able to but many can and do.

[marcus300]

I think a lot of folks are discounting prolonged HGH use which permanently modifies structure. So while they may not carry as much actual muscle, their frames are larger than when they started; giving the appearance of retention. This is somewhat blinding to the reality of muscle retention.

Here we go...........about time the WINNER Also if you use hgh for a long periods of time you can increase the number of muscle cells it doesn't take a genius to work out what that means if you couple that with trt, intense training and an excellent diet.

The end

[Captncavematt]

This has been an informative and entertaining thread.