Quote Originally Posted by calstate23

Actually, you took the words out of my mouth...

I was going to say that about steroids as well....But for me, that's not what it's about...It was about personal goal and how far I could push it...It was not for women one bit...I mean, it's great if they like it but that's not what it was for me....

Also, I don't mind if I girl has plastic surgery in the sense that she had an EXTREMELY large nose where anyone would want it fixed or like a cleft lip...Or if she is a fitness competitor or something and it's her job...

I just don't like it when it's purely to impress guys...And typically, if they want to impress guys that much it means they want their attention...Which also means they want to lay down lol
I wonder if any psychologists, sociologists, or scientists studying ecology and behavioral evolution have looked at the correlation between self esteem and promiscuity?!? I would expect a strong positive correlation - but not a perfect correlation.

Deciding to sleep with someone certainly contains an element of self esteem. If we are u comfortable with our body morphology, we'll be less engaging and may avoid social interactions with the opposite sex. Choosing who, when, and how often to copulate has likely more to do with cultural and national influences and the values one was raised with, more than physical attractiveness. Yes, of course, the hot, tight girl at the club will draw more attention to herself than a "normal" or obese girl and self esteem certainly contributes to one's level of comfort and confidence in "breaking the ice".

I don't worry much about the "wrapping". Oh heck yes, I'd take hot, augmented women over plain, simple women, but a meaningful relationship can only be achieved when you look past the physical attributes and deeper into who they are, their moral compass, intellect, and shared interests.