Insulin first timer

[darrenritchie1984]

I want to start Insulin (I'm a sensible person so wont f**k about)

I wanted to shoot PWO only but was reading Kingprops posts about waiting until my PWO meal. (Kingprop is a user on UK muscle and house of juice)

Can someone give me more info on this. My main issue is that I do not get out the gym until 7.30pm I would be using Novorapid pens and normally go bed around mid night. What is the BEST protocol and is mid night giving me sufficient time for the slin to be out my system.

As a test I took my blood sugar monitor to the gym and checked my blood before work out. I got 5mmol/l as a reading. After a tough leg workout I checked before leaving the gym and it was down to 4mmol/l

Im assuming Kingprops reasoning behind not shooting slin straight after workout is because blood sugar is already so low and injecting slin would be stupid at this point as there is never a guarantee the dextrose you take immediately after will absorb before the slin takes action?

I also plan on only taking 4 or 5 iu's each time.

I have HGH too. When would be best to take that. I usually do before bed.

I am also running tren and test

(been on gear on/off since 2005)

Thanks again

Darren

[Capebuffalo]

I'm in my 3rd week using slin (humalog) for the first time.

I started out using the info here. http://forums.steroid.com/igf-1-lr3-...k-insulin.html

I have changed the dextrose in the first shake to a little longer lasting carb.
The dextrose was leaving too soon and caused me to almost crash.
Actually Karbolyn is faster and last longer. Increases glucose faster. It's better to use for insulin due to the transit thru the lining of the stomach.

[FONZY007]

I'm in my 3rd week using slin (humalog) for the first time.

I started out using the info here. http://forums.steroid.com/igf-1-lr3-...k-insulin.html

I have changed the dextrose in the first shake to a little longer lasting carb.
The dextrose was leaving too soon and caused me to almost crash.
Actually Karbolyn is faster and last longer. Increases glucose faster. It's better to use for insulin due to the transit thru the lining of the stomach.

I was going to start a thread but will watch this one!'

[OnTheSauce]

As I've stated, I use glycofuse for my post carb drink

[Capebuffalo]

As I've stated, I use glycofuse for my post carb drink

I defer to Sauce. He has been walking me through my first run. And taught me a lot.

[OnTheSauce]

I have been able to gain essentially zero fat while using slin. This is the protocol I follow. I use rapid acting insulin.

Post workout slin shot
-have glycofuse shake
15min later a 50gr protein shake with creatine
60min - big meal with complex carbs and protein only. Basically lean grilled chicken and a crap ton of rice. I've recently switched to brown rice, but white will work too. 2 cups rice and 10oz chicken. This much food will take a while to eat, so just sit down and eat it without being distracted or all of a sudden it will have been 35min and you're still eating.

Avoid all fats while slin shot is active. This means skip ground beef and steak and other fatty protein sources. Great for other parts of the day, but keeping the fat off while using slin means real clean eating during that active window.

Disclaimer *not an expert, just giving my personal experience*

[Capebuffalo]

I have been able to gain essentially zero fat while using slin. This is the protocol I follow. I use rapid acting insulin.

Post workout slin shot
-have glycofuse shake
15min later a 50gr protein shake with creatine
60min - big meal with complex carbs and protein only. Basically lean grilled chicken and a crap ton of rice. I've recently switched to brown rice, but white will work too. 2 cups rice and 10oz chicken. This much food will take a while to eat, so just sit down and eat it without being distracted or all of a sudden it will have been 35min and you're still eating.

Avoid all fats while slin shot is active. This means skip ground beef and steak and other fatty protein sources. Great for other parts of the day, but keeping the fat off while using slin means real clean eating during that active window.

Disclaimer *not an expert, just giving my personal experience*

I will have to agree. I am putting weight on but staying lean and vascular. Following the above protocol.

[SlinKing]

Well here is my opinion on insulin... might be a bit different.
~4-5iu's is a good starting dose.
~I would not inject log preworkout because insulin really can make you feel like shit and have terrible gym sessions. I'd definitely shoot postworkout.
~Personally, I don't have to worry about carb intake until 25-30 iu's. I don't believe 5iu's can really make you go significantly hypo, but you definitely need to slowly up the dose and experiment for yourself
~Fats on slin is fine, in my opinion. I run slin without HGH, and I have been known to shoot 45iu's and eat 500+ grams of fat while slin is active. It did not make me fat or give me a "slin gut" (the high fat did make my gallbladder go out, but that's a story for another time)
~If you're trying to bulk, just eat alot on slin. the more food the better. Try "good fats" like fish, lean meats, some eggs, lots of complex carbs., high micronutrient choices are good. Just make sure that your body has a huge supply of micros and macros so that the slin can do its work. If you are trying to cut on slin, avoiding most fats would probably be a good idea (i think cutting on slin is stupid tho)
~When you get more experienced, consider running metformin with it. metformin + slin can be slightly dangerous, so don't be an idiot with it.

~This is what i'd do when running log: have a large preworkout meal, lift, large post-workout meal (high protein, complex carbs, lean meat), shoot slin 30 mins after meal, sip on a whey/maltodextrin shake (high calorie mass gainer like ON mass gainer), high protein high carb snack 2 hours after injection

[Capebuffalo]

Well here is my opinion on insulin... might be a bit different.
~4-5iu's is a good starting dose.
~I would not inject log preworkout because insulin really can make you feel like shit and have terrible gym sessions. I'd definitely shoot postworkout.
~Personally, I don't have to worry about carb intake until 25-30 iu's. I don't believe 5iu's can really make you go significantly hypo, but you definitely need to slowly up the dose and experiment for yourself
~Fats on slin is fine, in my opinion. I run slin without HGH, and I have been known to shoot 45iu's and eat 500+ grams of fat while slin is active. It did not make me fat or give me a "slin gut" (the high fat did make my gallbladder go out, but that's a story for another time)
~If you're trying to bulk, just eat alot on slin. the more food the better. Try "good fats" like fish, lean meats, some eggs, lots of complex carbs., high micronutrient choices are good. Just make sure that your body has a huge supply of micros and macros so that the slin can do its work. If you are trying to cut on slin, avoiding most fats would probably be a good idea (i think cutting on slin is stupid tho)
~When you get more experienced, consider running metformin with it. metformin + slin can be slightly dangerous, so don't be an idiot with it.

~This is what i'd do when running log: have a large preworkout meal, lift, large post-workout meal (high protein, complex carbs, lean meat), shoot slin 30 mins after meal, sip on a whey/maltodextrin shake (high calorie mass gainer like ON mass gainer), high protein high carb snack 2 hours after injection

Interesting read.

[OnTheSauce]

What kind of slin are you using though? No way you are shooting 45iu of humalog. You are full of shit and most likely have no real experience

[FONZY007]

I got a question, how do you know or check to see if you are become insulin sensitive?

[Capebuffalo]

I got a question, how do you know or check to see if you are become insulin sensitive?

How to Test your Insulin Resistance

by Dr. Spencer Nadolsky



If you have read a lot of our articles, we focus a lot on what is called - insulin resistance. If you want a quick review of what it is you can check out my video – How Diabetes and Berberine Work – Part 1. The quick definition is just, a condition where cells fail to respond to normal levels of insulin. Increased insulin resistance means your pancreas needs to make more insulin to get glucose into your cells.

It is important to know your level of insulin resistance (or insulin sensitivity) because it is something that predicts cardiovascular disease and diabetes risk. It is also something that is EASILY modifiable with lifestyle and supplements AND also easily measured, which is why even fitness pros could use this as another variable to a client’s success.

How to test insulin resistance

The Gold Standard of insulin sensitivity/resistance testing is with something called a Hyperinsulinemia Euglycemic Clamp. It is an invasive procedure where insulin and glucose are infused into your veins and someone measures how much insulin is needed to keep your glucose levels in a certain range for an extended period of time. While definitely interesting, I wouldn’t recommend this… and other than a research lab I wouldn’t know how to even try to attempt this technique.


No need for long lab drawing… just a short one!


Luckily there is a calculation based off of your fasting glucose and insulin levels that predicts your insulin resistance very closely to the clamp method above. It is called the HOMA-IR – Short for Homeostatic Model Assessment – Insulin Resistance. The model was based off of young lean individuals using the clamp method so it isn’t 100% accurate for the entire population but it definitely has a good correlation and can be calculated quite easily.

Here is how to calculate it using either the US Formula (how we do it in aMERICA!) or International Formula

US Formula
fasting Glucose(mg/dl) x fasting Insulin(µU/mL) / 405

International Formula
fasting Glucose(mmol/L) x fasting Insulin(mU/L) / 22.5

For example, my fasting Glucose was 90 mg/dL and my fasting insulin was 5 µU/mL so (90 x 5)/405 = 1.11

There have been many proposed cutoff values depending on your age and race, but in general you can use this guideline:



Category HOMA Score
Normal insulin resistance < 3
Moderate insulin resistance Between 3 and 5
Severe insulin resistance >5


In a discussion with some other weight loss docs we talked about just using fasting insulin as a good marker. If you’re doing this you can generally use 10 or 11 µU/mL. Anything over those values likely means you’re insulin resistant. However, since a fasting glucose is pretty easy to get, you might as well calculate your HOMA-IR.

[OnTheSauce]

How are you testing your fasted insulin level?

[Granovich]

Dont listen to the guy who says he run 45 iu of slin and take 500g fat a day
He was talking about taking 4-6g AAS a day
He is a lunatic

[OnTheSauce]

Dont listen to the guy who says he run 45 iu of slin and take 500g fat a day
He was talking about taking 4-6g AAS a day
He is a lunatic

Full of shit more like it. Just spouting non sense

[FONZY007]

Damn I call my Walgreens pharmacy and they have it for almost 200 bucks, than I called walmart and she stated they don't sell humalog unless with a prescrption but stated they have NR 70/30 for 24.99?

What's NR ?

[SlinKing]

Dont listen to the guy who says he run 45 iu of slin and take 500g fat a day
He was talking about taking 4-6g AAS a day
He is a lunatic

you wanna break records? you wanna be bigger than the rest? you gotta do shit like this.

rumor is, phil heath takes 13 grams testosterone.....


....per day

[SlinKing]

Damn I call my Walgreens pharmacy and they have it for almost 200 bucks, than I called walmart and she stated they don't sell humalog unless with a prescrption but stated they have NR 70/30 for 24.99?

What's NR ?

N mixed with R. 70% N and 30% R. Just changes the response curve to one that is generally desirable for diabetic patients. If they inject in the morning, they get the spike from R then the N holds them through the day.

[MajorPectorial]

So no fasting through the day.

N I doubt the guys in the same category as Phil heathe n its much safer to deal with facts not "rumours" tbh.
Sauce knows his shit. Its a road I still haven't decided on but basically u gotta look at the types of time when ins spikes occur. Start low. Log ur meals n when u pin. So ur not second guessing. Pre prep clean food so u don't "just this once" have Takeaway.
Um sauce. What's ur thoughts on using sweet potato as a substitute for rice? Pre nuked n rubbed. Grilled chicken etc. N half cup broccoli. As planned to use this.

Workout
Pwshake(water. Only half amount normally used)
Pin immediately after shake
PpMeal 1 immediately after pin
Ppmeal 2 2hours later
Ppmeal 3 2 hours later

Instead of having mahoosive meal I was gunna fill a STD Takeaway tub up. I.e. large sweet potato + half cup broccoli + two chicken breast.

N use that for those post pin meals. Covering the buildup. Spike. And drop of humalog...

Can't afford hgh. Bit I blast n cruise.

[FONZY007]

N mixed with R. 70% N and 30% R. Just changes the response curve to one that is generally desirable for diabetic patients. If they inject in the morning, they get the spike from R then the N holds them through the day.

So don't get that kind, I can find humalog but will have to purchase online!!

[SlinKing]

So don't get that kind, I can find humalog but will have to purchase online!!

Just buying R from wal mart for 23 bucks is always a good option, in my opinion.

[FONZY007]

Just buying R from wal mart for 23 bucks is always a good option, in my opinion.

She stated humalog-r needed a prescription which everyone on here is stating it doesn't

[SlinKing]

She stated humalog-r needed a prescription which everyone on here is stating it doesn't

humulin-r does not need a script.

humalog does. no such thing as humalog r

also the whole humu-shit just means its eli lilly slin. wal mart sells novolin-r (off brand). just order regular insulin. don't say novo or humu bullshit

[FONZY007]

humulin-r does not need a script.

humalog does. no such thing as humalog r

also the whole humu-shit just means its eli lilly slin. wal mart sells novolin-r (off brand). just order regular insulin. don't say novo or humu bullshit

Cool called and they sell novolin-r without a script!!

[David LoPan]

IMO, I would stay far away from taking any type of insulin. You never know the long term effect of taking this. I work with DM patients all the time and insulin is not something you want to mess with. I have my Certified Diabetes Educator (CDE) and I dont care what any doctor says, there is not enough long term research to convince me that messing with insulin while not having diabetes is a good idea. Again, this is just my humble opinion, but I would not mess around with this drug at all. If you do end up getting type 2 dm in the future you never know what will happen since you used insulin in the past when you didnt need it. Just go visit a hospital and look at the diabetics and your eyes will be wide open. If you do take insulin for other reasons, be VERY careful. There is a reason that nurses have to have another nurse check the dosage and the blood sugar and medical history before EACH injection. Again, JMHO but I would not mess with this stuff unless my life really did depend of it.

[JWP806]

you wanna break records? you wanna be bigger than the rest? you gotta do shit like this.

rumor is, phil heath takes 13 grams testosterone.....


....per day

Wow, what a troll. Where did you hear that rumor? BB dot com?