14 Weeker of Test E & Tren E

[MrJuice]

Im planning on a 14 week Test E & Tren E cycle

Weeks 1-14 Test E @ 600mg/week
Weeks 1-12 Tren E @ 400mg/week

PCT starts 2 weeks after last pin

From what ive read Tren shuts you down pretty hard so I would like to run some HCG also. I need some input on how much and when to run HCG.

Thanks

[Lunk1]

What is you cycle history?

[MrJuice]

What is you cycle history?

I need advice on HCG, i didnt ask for any input on my cycle history

[Lunk1]

Had a feeling that was coming...

Try the search function!

[crazy mike]

Im planning on a 14 week Test E & Tren E cycle

Weeks 1-14 Test E @ 600mg/week
Weeks 1-12 Tren E @ 400mg/week

PCT starts 2 weeks after last pin

From what ive read Tren shuts you down pretty hard so I would like to run some HCG also. I need some input on how much and when to run HCG.

Thanks

Are you not running an AI with the test. May I ask ? ...crazy mike

[t-dogg]

I need advice on HCG, i didnt ask for any input on my cycle history

Great reply....



I'll ask a question also, why run test higher then tren?

[MrJuice]

Are you not running an AI with the test. May I ask ? ...crazy mike

I have nolva and clomid on hand. Does anyone have any advice or am i beating a dead horse on this forum?

[t-dogg]

I have nolva and clomid on hand

He asked about AI, not PCT.

[redz]

Also good to have something on hand in case of prolactin problems.

[crazy mike]

Me...crazy mike, cannot advise you on HCG. But I asked a friendly Q's about your AI not being there. I think. So I though maybe you might like some more input along the way. I didn't bash you. \

Nolva and Clomid are not Ai's. But, Hey being an a$$ on here will render you nothing much. So Good luck ...cm

[Java Man]

I have nolva and clomid on hand. Does anyone have any advice or am i beating a dead horse on this forum?

I think given your attitude another forum full of bro science meatheads might be a better fit for you. They will tell you what you want to hear. We like science and experience here and will tell you the truth whether you are prepared to hear it or not. However, no answers can be given without background on the individual asking the questions. There is no one answer fits all reply.

[MrJuice]

So heres what I have

Weeks 1-14 Test E @ 600mg/week
Weeks 1-12 Tren E @ 400mg/week
Weeks 2-14 HCG @ 500iu/week (2 injections per week)

PCT starts 2 weeks after last pin

Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50

[Java Man]

HCG from day 1 to a few days before you start pct. Dose looks fine to me. You can go e3d with 500iu if you want a little extra insurance and have the stock. 72 hrs is about its max lifespan in the body for males.

[MrJuice]

HCG from day 1 to a few days before you start pct. Dose looks fine to me. You can go e3d with 500iu if you want a little extra insurance and have the stock. 72 hrs is about its max lifespan in the body for males.

Cheers, can anyone else confirm this or anything else to add?

[mr.lenny]

Question? Why are you running test higher then tren??? Make tren work for you! Plus if this is your first time running tren, that's too much for you!

[tgunn]

Question? Why are you running test higher then tren??? Make tren work for you! Plus if this is your first time running tren, that's too much for you!

^ I was hoping someone would mention this..
Controlling e2 is the key..

If i ran tren again it would be a trt dose of test/ high dose tren. .

[Samialfa1]

what if u going only for 6 weeks and u will run it for 400 test e and 300 primo every week and then from the 4 th week hgr ( somatropin) will be involved all I am askin how did u dealt with the water retention of the test can u can elemanat this by diet and cardio cause this is what concerns me about the test e and does the primo and somatropin will elemenate this And how does the test e worked with fat and the pct when it works during the course does it control the water retention

[Samialfa1]

I hope some one help me with this cycle advise

[Back In Black]

I hope some one help me with this cycle advise

Start your own thread!

[JinNtonic]

I am on board with the lower test than tren. Test just keeps your sex drive up, let the Tren do its thing.

[crazy mike]

Hey, You still need to control your Estrogen level. Tren will not promote Aromatasing but the Test will. Tren doesn't lower or control E2 ...crazy mike.

[tgunn]

Hey, You still need to control your Estrogen level. Tren will not promote Aromatasing but the Test will. Tren doesn't lower or control E2 ...crazy mike.

Very true---- Ai is a must.

But I think we lost this guy...

[tgunn]

Hey, You still need to control your Estrogen level. Tren will not promote Aromatasing but the Test will. Tren doesn't lower or control E2 ...crazy mike.

Very true---- Ai is a must.

But I think we lost this guy...

[tgunn]

Hey, You still need to control your Estrogen level. Tren will not promote Aromatasing but the Test will. Tren doesn't lower or control E2 ...crazy mike.

Very true---- Ai is a must.

But I think we lost this guy...

[MrJuice]

So what kind of dosages are you guys recommending with the tren and test? By the way i am running long esters as my body has bad reactions to short esters.

[MrJuice]

I will be getting some caber to prevent progesterone/prolactin problems. Is this enough or do i need to run arimidex/aramosin also?

[Mp859]

I will be getting some caber to prevent progesterone/prolactin problems. Is this enough or do i need to run arimidex/aramosin also?

I like prami over caber unless it is pharm grade caber. But you will still need to run an ai arimidex is cheaper and works fine.

[MrJuice]

I like prami over caber unless it is pharm grade caber. But you will still need to run an ai arimidex is cheaper and works fine.

So run both caber and arimidex?

[crazy mike]

Have you not read what EVERYONE HAS SAID kid. You need to run and AI. An anti-aromatase to inhibit your estrogen. Like Arimidex. Last post on here. WE are all tired of telling you the same sh!t. How many time have you been told. Are you stupid. Caber is not an AI. Go read some article. Do your own home work and learn .

If you still don't understand what WE have told you. then you are stu....... I'm done her. ...crazy mike

[Java Man]

The caber is something he was advised to get, cm. by us. he's running tren and test so he does need prolactin control and an AI.

[Java Man]

So run both caber and arimidex?

Yes. Both if youre running test and a 19nor

[MrJuice]

Yes. Both if youre running test and a 19nor

Cheers

Have you not read what EVERYONE HAS SAID kid. You need to run and AI. An anti-aromatase to inhibit your estrogen. Like Arimidex. Last post on here. WE are all tired of telling you the same sh!t. How many time have you been told. Are you stupid. Caber is not an AI. Go read some article. Do your own home work and learn .

If you still don't understand what WE have told you. then you are stu....... I'm done her. ...crazy mike

If you hadnt worked it out already i wasnt prepared to take any advice from you as you look like shit in your profile pic. If thats the end result of a lifetime of juicing bodybuilding clearly isnt for you, grandpa.

[crazy mike]

Cheers



If you hadnt worked it out already i wasnt prepared to take any advice from you as you look like shit in your profile pic. If thats the end result of a lifetime of juicing bodybuilding clearly isnt for you, grandpa.

You see back again with foolish talk kid. Read my interview. I'm 62 yrs. old trained and was competing before you were born and placed took off and out of the gym 25 yrs. kiddo and been back training and using aas for only 10 months. Ten months at my age.. Look and weep kid, put your pic up next to mine.

The caber still isn't for Gyno stupid. So as you regain your composure wishing you knew something and could compete with me at you age. I'll be having fun not working and living out my dream in and out of the gym. I advised you well anyway. Done here with you. ...crazy mike

[Java Man]

Cheers

If you hadnt worked it out already i wasnt prepared to take any advice from you as you look like shit in your profile pic. If thats the end result of a lifetime of juicing bodybuilding clearly isnt for you, grandpa.

Cm calls it like he sees it and doesn't mince words but have some respect. His advice is sound. He was competing on stage long before you were born.

[tectime]

Really dude show some respect ! That crazy Mike dude is 62 yrs old! You got any idea what working out and taking tes at that age is like ? I don't but I damn sure hope to !!!!

[crazy mike]

I think given your attitude another forum full of bro science meatheads might be a better fit for you. They will tell you what you want to hear. We like science and experience here and will tell you the truth whether you are prepared to hear it or not. However, no answers can be given without background on the individual asking the questions. There is no one answer fits all reply.

Cm calls it like he sees it and doesn't mince words but have some respect. His advice is sound. He was competing on stage long before you were born.

Thanks Java. Ya know I give respect to those who give respect. If he re-reads his thread inb it's entirety he would see I gave him respect initially with my Q's. Then he kept "Stupid" and disrespected everyone. So sometimes you get what you give.

He wasn't man enouh to respect all the experts and answer the Q's and get to more overall knowledge abiut the whole protocol.

I hung in and gave him advice, but the hard way. That's what he gave us...a hard time.
At least he knows now a little about estrogen and an AI use. He just need to read up more and get humble as we all have. THX ...crazy mike

I guess we won't see a pic. ...cm

[Java Man]

You know, when the cops interrogate a suspect they keep asking the same questions over and over until they get the answers they want. If that doesn't happen, they start suggesting the answers and then write that down as if the suspect said it.

[< <Samson> >]

Banning imminent


Get lost, don't ask questions you don't want answers to.

I wanna see this super stud @ 60+.

[ironbeck]

lmao

[ninjaman85]

well this was a good morning read! :P lolol noobs I tell ya.

I wanna talk to Saaaaamson! haha