My experience is running tbol at 80mgs to gat anything. Even 60mgs is low. Winstrol is not for bulking at all. I is a low anabolic. It is used when cutting for a show or just a hard vascular finished look. I use it when I'm not bulking and I want to get lean an stay hard, while I diet DOWN and train hard.
Definitely not for bulking. ...crazy mike