Reasons why the 1x inj every 2-3 weeks protocol is 8-10 years outdated!!!

[powerlifterty16]

I did like the gels, problem I had was someday I was 400 some days I was 1100 on them, it depends on did some spill on the floor, was it 100% dry when I put on my shirt, was it on my forearms or my shoulders, did some get in my chest hair, did some get in-between my fingers? As you can see I got sick of having good days and bad days and went to the shots, a lot easier to control the dosage. Now if they have a better way to keep CONSISTENT then I will try them again. Also someone was paying the 1200$ a month because my insurance covered it, so $14,400 a year for Gels or $280 for shots lol.

Also Crisler likes the gels better because the up and down everyday like your body already does, I just did not like the good / bad days. I knew when 2PM showed up and I needed a nap that I screwed up putting on the gel that day.

did you try putting the gels on the way crisler reccomends..rubbing the inside of your forearms together? I just wouldnt want to risk gels getting on my dog....who knows what could happen

[FRDave]

did you try putting the gels on the way crisler reccomends..rubbing the inside of your forearms together? I just wouldnt want to risk gels getting on my dog....who knows what could happen

[powerlifterty16]

yeah maybe lol...

but considering my dog is about 6 foot tall and weighs 120 pounds, i dont think he needs much more muscle lol.

[FRDave]

yeah maybe lol...

but considering my dog is about 6 foot tall and weighs 120 pounds, i dont think he needs much more muscle lol.

Little bit taller and you could ride him lol

[Ryanmcd]

did you try putting the gels on the way crisler reccomends..rubbing the inside of your forearms together? I just wouldnt want to risk gels getting on my dog....who knows what could happen

I did but then I had to shave my arms, it was just a pain in the ass I still have about 10k worth of the crap just sitting. What I may try next is do a shot then on day 5 use 1 pump day 6 use 2 pumps, then do a shot again. Doc was fine with me trying it but I just have not had the need too as I feel great on shots.

100 different ways you can do it as long as you have a good doc that trusts you.

[powerlifterty16]

are u still with crisler? i remember you said he was helpful but you still didnt really like him right?

[Ryanmcd]

are u still with crisler? i remember you said he was helpful but you still didnt really like him right?

Nope not any more, it's not needed once you get it dialed in I feel. I still get everything ran every 6 months just to be safe but insurance covers the $1500 worth of blood work and nothing has changed in over a year, I did try Sub-Q and my test level went from 870 to 349 with the same dose 2x a week so I went back to IM and I feel good so no reason to change anything as the way I see it.

Once you get that done you can tune up everything else like DHEA, D3, Preg, etc using OTC sups and bloodwork as I did, Crisler also gave me some vit recommendations based on my blood work in the past and that was nice and helped too.

I don't like him as a person but I feel he's a good doc and it's a business relationship and I respect his knowledge.

[powerlifterty16]

Nope not any more, it's not needed once you get it dialed in I feel. I still get everything ran every 6 months just to be safe but insurance covers the $1500 worth of blood work and nothing has changed in over a year, I did try Sub-Q and my test level went from 870 to 349 with the same dose 2x a week so I went back to IM and I feel good so no reason to change anything as the way I see it.

Once you get that done you can tune up everything else like DHEA, D3, Preg, etc using OTC sups and bloodwork as I did, Crisler also gave me some vit recommendations based on my blood work in the past and that was nice and helped too.

I don't like him as a person but I feel he's a good doc and it's a business relationship and I respect his knowledge.

how does he make money if you only see him once and never again? i know dr mariano has his patients go once per year
cant believe im asking how crisler makes money....and im jealous he runs a lot of bw..shippen's bw was very conservative
:*(

[Ryanmcd]

how does he make money if you only see him once and never again? i know dr mariano has his patients go once per year
cant believe im asking how crisler makes money....and im jealous he runs a lot of bw..shippen's bw was very conservative
:*(

Once you know what to do you find a local doc that can run blood work / write scripts that trusts you because not much changes. Also I am sure I paid him 2-3k after it was all done with 500$ to see him, 75$ follow ups a few 2-300$ piss in a jug 24 hour testings etc. But again it's worth it man I feel great and am kicking ass at work / in the gym so I would do it all over in no time.

He also tested me for HGH but I was already at 4.20 and the high range was like 2.7 so he said I was lucky to have such a high IGF1 and GHRP 6 would be a waste of money for me, it was cool because he asked if my grandmother was still in good health and She is, 80 years old and she snuck in vodka on a cruse and rode the water slides lol. He said that a high IGF1 = longer life in most people and that's just a little he told me and that is why having a GOOD doc that gets this stuff and can TEACH you is a big deal. I am sure if I went into his office with a bunch of bullshit from the internet he would give me my money back and tell me the get the hell out, some things I did not think at the start where good because of what I read on the forums but I was WRONG, and the forums are WRONG too about a lot of stuff.

Remember just because something you read here or any place on the web even if a LOT of people say it's true you need to run it past a GOOD doc that you can trust because it may not be best for you. I hope for your sake when you go to that doc you don't have something set in your mind because what you read on the web said is best because the top docs I have talked too will NOT deal with you because they don't need a non-compliant patient that's just going to do whatever anyway and it's a waste of everyone's time.

[powerlifterty16]

Once you know what to do you find a local doc that can run blood work / write scripts that trusts you because not much changes. Also I am sure I paid him 2-3k after it was all done with 500$ to see him, 75$ follow ups a few 2-300$ piss in a jug 24 hour testings etc. But again it's worth it man I feel great and am kicking ass at work / in the gym so I would do it all over in no time.

He also tested me for HGH but I was already at 4.20 and the high range was like 2.7 so he said I was lucky to have such a high IGF1 and GHRP 6 would be a waste of money for me, it was cool because he asked if my grandmother was still in good health and She is, 80 years old and she snuck in vodka on a cruse and rode the water slides lol. He said that a high IGF1 = longer life in most people and that's just a little he told me and that is why having a GOOD doc that gets this stuff and can TEACH you is a big deal. I am sure if I went into his office with a bunch of bullshit from the internet he would give me my money back and tell me the get the hell out, some things I did not think at the start where good because of what I read on the forums but I was WRONG, and the forums are WRONG too about a lot of stuff.

Remember just because something you read here or any place on the web even if a LOT of people say it's true you need to run it past a GOOD doc that you can trust because it may not be best for you. I hope for your sake when you go to that doc you don't have something set in your mind because what you read on the web said is best because the top docs I have talked too will NOT deal with you because they don't need a non-compliant patient that's just going to do whatever anyway and it's a waste of everyone's time.

im glad your situation worked out...how old are you? mine wouldnt really be the same though, because i dont have a dr to write me scripts, id have to continue to go to shippen.. hope shippen will work with me if i dont have a primary care on board with this stuff.

so what are you lifting now, you said you lifted 495 with 190 test lol..did u ever take roids to get that number?

shipen is testing my igf 1 too pretty excited to see it bro...i wonder if mine is high..how tall are you?