Switching TRT Injection Protocol

[FRDave]

What do you think of Dr. Crisler, who I'm sure you're aware of, suggesting 2 days before injection?

And will 2x a week be fine? 3x may set my T levels a little high

That is fine and preferred if injecting test 1x per week. If you inject test 2x per week, I would do HCG 2x per week, the day before test injections, or 3x per week, Mon/Wed/Fri.

The idea is to keep serum levels steady all week, so play around and see what works best for you.

On another note, you may have to up the dosage as well, up to 1000iu per week total, but preferably no more than 500iu per injection. Most see full benefit at 700-750iu weekly...

[Bulldogs1]

That is fine and preferred if injecting test 1x per week. If you inject test 2x per week, I would do HCG 2x per week, the day before test injections, or 3x per week, Mon/Wed/Fri.

The idea is to keep serum levels steady all week, so play around and see what works best for you.

On another note, you may have to up the dosage as well, up to 1000iu per week total, but preferably no more than 500iu per injection. Most see full benefit at 700-750iu weekly...

Gotcha. My most recent labs (12 hrs post injection) showed my E2 at 21 which is fine, but my estrone very high at like 83. I know estrone isn't as important as E2, but my doctor likes to monitor that as well.

He wants me to order this supp called Bio-Prostate, as it has clinical levels of some things that will help with aromatization. He and I both figure no need for an AI until I truly need it.

[FRDave]

Gotcha. My most recent labs (12 hrs post injection) showed my E2 at 21 which is fine, but my estrone very high at like 83. I know estrone isn't as important as E2, but my doctor likes to monitor that as well.

He wants me to order this supp called Bio-Prostate, as it has clinical levels of some things that will help with aromatization. He and I both figure no need for an AI until I truly need it.

I am not too familiar with estrone (E1) other than that E1 can convert to E2 and is lowered when taking an AI such as Arimidex. In your case, you don't want to lower your E2, but I'm unsure if you can target E1 directly. I did some searching and found some asking as well as a TRT Dr responding on another board, but no conclusion was made.

Hopefully someone can chime in on this one as I'm curious now.

As for the Bio-Prostate, I don't see how this will help lower E1 with the exception of Zinc which is under dosed. He may be looking to make a sale???

[Bulldogs1]

I am not too familiar with estrone (E1) other than that E1 can convert to E2 and is lowered when taking an AI such as Arimidex. In your case, you don't want to lower your E2, but I'm unsure if you can target E1 directly. I did some searching and found some asking as well as a TRT Dr responding on another board, but no conclusion was made.

Hopefully someone can chime in on this one as I'm curious now.

As for the Bio-Prostate, I don't see how this will help lower E1 with the exception of Zinc which is under dosed. He may be looking to make a sale???

Hmm. I think he was more worried about my E2 rising with the HCG, and wanted to prescribe something less effective than an AI should I need it. I don't believe it was meant to address the estrone directly. Should I even bother with it?

Also, thanks for the help!

[Bulldogs1]

It's been awhile since I've updated, but here are the results of my last two lab draws. The only difference in protocol between the two draws are that I switched to subcutaneous injections for the second one.

10/7/13:
Testosterone Free: 25.5 [5-40]
Testosterone, Total: 767 [332-896]
Estrogens, Fractioned
Estrone: 99 [<80]
Estradiol: 32 [0-56]
Estrogens, Total: 131 [<136]

12/13/2013:
T3, Free: 3.9 [2.3-4.2]
T4, Free: 1.2 [0.7-1.5]
TSH: 1.99 [0.45-5.10]

Testosterone, Free: 41.7 [5-40]
Testosterone, Total: 712 [332-896]

Estrogens, Fractionated:
Estrone: 73 [<80]
Estradiol: 44 [0-56]
Estrogens, Total: 111 [<136]



Please let me know any feedback...
Is my estradiol too high? My doc doesn't seem to think so..

I had a night of heavy drinking before the second set of labs, so is it possible those thyroid scores would be hyperthyroid if alcohol wasn't suppressing thyroid the morning after?

[Bulldogs1]

It's been awhile since I've updated, but here are the results of my last two lab draws. The only difference in protocol between the two draws are that I switched to subcutaneous injections for the second one.

10/7/13:
Testosterone Free: 25.5 [5-40]
Testosterone, Total: 767 [332-896]
Estrogens, Fractioned
Estrone: 99 [<80]
Estradiol: 32 [0-56]
Estrogens, Total: 131 [<136]

12/13/2013:
T3, Free: 3.9 [2.3-4.2]
T4, Free: 1.2 [0.7-1.5]
TSH: 1.99 [0.45-5.10]

Testosterone, Free: 41.7 [5-40]
Testosterone, Total: 712 [332-896]

Estrogens, Fractionated:
Estrone: 73 [<80]
Estradiol: 44 [0-56]
Estrogens, Total: 111 [<136]



Please let me know any feedback...
Is my estradiol too high? My doc doesn't seem to think so..

I had a night of heavy drinking before the second set of labs, so is it possible those thyroid scores would be hyperthyroid if alcohol wasn't suppressing thyroid the morning after?