The American Government shutdown

[Flagg]

The shutdown: Will voters punish the Republicans? | The Economist

I'm really surprised that this hasn't been brought up here?

Anyone personally affected by this? Time for the tea party to go? Repercussions for the rest of the world.

[diesel101]

I think everybody is so fed up with all the government BS that they just don't care anymore.
In my eyes its just another day with our screwed up government.

[Flagg]

I thought it was more than that. 1 million people laid of and another 2.5 million being asked to work for free. In two weeks America could effectively not be self sufficient financially.

And whatever some may say about Obama care, it's the tea party opposing this that has led to all this. If Obama bends now it will set a precedent that the minority will always oppose legislation. The Tea Party is the worst thing that happened to the Republican party.

I might not care so much but considering the UK has only just start chugging forward again, this could affect everyone.

Maybe America should have imposed austerity measures instead of pretending a trillion dollar debt didn't exist.

[Hazard]

I'm not blaming the republicans. It's takes all parties..... Not just the republicans. The way that I see it is obamacare isn't that popular here. It's a sham...... Obama promised no tax increase for families making less than $250k..... It gets passed and now if u don't take the insurance u get taxed. Premiums will rise, my grandmas rate has gone up already. The overall level of care will inevitably go down..... But I'm won't get Ito why obamacare sucks here. Lastly..... The government is forcing this on us. They're taking away our right to choose. How can they force this on us?

Anyways...... The republicans are asking him to delay it another year so they can take the time to get it right. He flat out fvcking refuses. He passed this shit under everyone's nose and did it very shady. I blame him for the shut down. He needs to give in and delay it. We've gone this long without his shitcare - we'll survive another year.

Unfortunately he has a large voice so he'll be talking on TV a lot about the republicans taking the food off government workers tables.

[Hazard]

It's not just the tea party that opposes obamacare man. A poll was conducted and the majority of Americans DID NOT want obamacare. If a new poll shows a different change idunno..... The last one was not in favor tho.

[Hazard]

As of right now 50% of Americans don't want obamacare 36% think it should still be mandated and 14% are unsure. The polls havnt changed much since July.

How the fvck can the leader of this country look at the people of his country and say "I hear you but too bad" - we don't fvcking want it. Why can't he review the polls and say "okay..... I'm listening to you. Lets delay this and get it right"

[Trevtrev]

Also remember that this whole shut down is over a CR. Why a CR? Because a budget has not been passed in years under Obama. Right now the republicans are going to fund everything piece by piece. I like that idea. Watch the dems resist. This shutdown is not the fault of anyone but Obama. He is a rigid ideologue. I'm ashamed that he is our president.

Also, osamacare was passed under very shady circumstances. Americans didn't want it then, and don't need it now. It was forced upon us.

If you watch and listen closely, the dems are making sure that as many people as possible feel shutdown pain. Really? This is scary. This is the opposite of what they are they for. Once the CR's are all worked out those not getting checks right now will get them inclusive of any back pay deserved.

[RaginCajun]

that article was written by someone over seas. there really has not been a whole lot of Tea Party talk since the IRS scandal.

i am an independent and i hate that the two parties cannot agree/compromise on anything. it is really sickening.

and i like what Haz said, taking away our right to choose. seems like they are trying to take control of everything so we, the people, will have less power.

[Hazard]

I know this isn't an obamacare debate but another poll conducted shows that 67% of US physicians will not accept the government health insurance.


!!!!!!!!!! Lol

[Flagg]

So the irony is, Obama doesn't care!

[Fcastle357]

I don't even know what to say. You have to buy health care or pay a fine. Oh buy the way the government just happens to sell healthcare, BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hazard]

Also..... 27 states are suing the government because obamacare is unconstitutional

[Fcastle357]

Also..... 27 states are suing the government because obamacare is unconstitutional

Yes sir. If this is such a great plan why not just offer it not force people to buy it. Then the people forcing this stuff down our throats don't have to use it.

[t-dogg]

I still want to know how they had money to go to war over chemical weapons a few weeks ago, and now they are shut down over money.... Wtf

[Hazard]

Printed in the London times obituaries

Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was, since his birth, records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as:

- Knowing when to come in out of the rain;

- Why the early bird gets the worm;

- Life is not always fair;

- And maybe it was my fault.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (do not spend more than you can earn) and reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge).

His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place. Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.

Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children.

It declined even further, when schools were required to get parental consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a student; but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.

Common Sense lost the will to live, as the churches became businesses; and criminals received better treatment than their victims did.

Common Sense took a beating when you could not defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar could sue you for assault.

Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in death, by his parents, Truth and Trust, by his wife, Discretion, by his daughter, Responsibility, and by his son, Reason.

His four stepbrothers survive him;

I Know My Rights

I Want It Now

Someone Else Is To Blame

I am a Victim

Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.

[Trevtrev]

The Tea Party is the worst thing that happened to the Republican party.

I beg to differ. I think it's the best thing that has happened. They were off track, most still are. Where are you from? UK?

IMHO Any red-blooded American who believes in our constitution and the vision of our founding fathers would like the tea party.

Core beliefs From the tea party site:
1. Illegal aliens are here illegally.
2. Pro-domestic employment is indispensable.
3. A strong military is essential.
4. Special interests must be eliminated.
5. Gun ownership is sacred.
6. Government must be downsized.
7. The national budget must be balanced.
8. Deficit spending must end.
9. Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal.
10. Reducing personal income taxes is a must.
11. Reducing business income taxes is mandatory.
12. Political offices must be available to average citizens.
13. Intrusive government must be stopped.
14. English as our core language is required.
15. Traditional family values are encouraged.

What's not to like if you still believe in our constitution?

Personally, I'd like to flush them all down the toilet and start fresh with four year term limits for everyone. No exceptions.

Just a thought.

[Rwy]

As of right now 50% of Americans don't want obamacare 36% think it should still be mandated and 14% are unsure. The polls havnt changed much since July.

How the fvck can the leader of this country look at the people of his country and say "I hear you but too bad" - we don't fvcking want it. Why can't he review the polls and say "okay..... I'm listening to you. Lets delay this and get it right"

His presidency is a complete failure. I guess he thinks Obama care will be part of his legacy and the only positive thing taken from his time as president. I have no idea how it works. I had a 40k pre existing condition surgery that was covered by insurance bc of Obama care. Hey that worked out great for me but I have no idea how any of it works out for others.


Both parties are a ****ing joke and it really is time for the people to take back this country. Our government is so ****ing corrupt. Non of these assholes deserve a pay check. There needs to be a full house cleaning.

[Flagg]

Not to stir too much, but if we all like polls and statistics so much then why are most people blaming republicans for this?

Rather than two guys fighting next to a cliff edge why are they fighting, why not not ask why the hell they are fighting next to a cliff edge?

[Euroholic]

I don't see what the big fuss is about this obamacare. Why cant they have a healthcare system like the rest of the modern world?

[RaginCajun]

Not to stir too much, but if we all like polls and statistics so much then why are most people blaming republicans for this?

Rather than two guys fighting next to a cliff edge why are they fighting, why not not ask why the hell they are fighting next to a cliff edge?

that is just the thing, they fight instead of working on a solution.

[Fcastle357]

I don't see what the big fuss is about this obamacare. Why cant they have a healthcare system like the rest of the modern world?

Because America is not like the rest of the world no matter how many Libs and euros want it to be.

[Euroholic]

Because America is not like the rest of the world no matter how many Libs and euros want it to be.

I was just reading that most americans do not even pay for health Insurance there work gives it to them. So if this is true why are so many people against this reform? If you get it from your job it wont effect you will it?

[Rwy]

I don't see what the big fuss is about this obamacare. Why cant they have a healthcare system like the rest of the modern world?

I think most people would like that but it comes down to money. People sue dr's over anything and then the flip side is insurance tries to get out of paying for everything.

[Rwy]

I was just reading that most americans do not even pay for health Insurance there work gives it to them. So if this is true why are so many people against this reform? If you get it from your job it wont effect you will it?

How much everyone pays is different. Depending on the size of the company will depend on how much you have to pay but everyone pays.

[Hazard]

I don't see what the big fuss is about this obamacare. Why cant they have a healthcare system like the rest of the modern world?

Did you read anything here? Lol

Here are some problems......

America does not want a tax increase. Not can the people handle it. So if we adopted. Healthcare system like you guys..... Out taxes would shoot up. Why? You can't insure an entire fvcking country without someone paying for it. Your healthcare IS NOT free......

We have freedom of choice for treatments. We can ask a doctor about medication choices. Under obamacare you will get the cheapest effective medication. It doesn't mean it works better..... The side effects aren't ur concern..... What matters is what will be cheaper. Obama said this himself during his red pill/blue pill speech.

Insurance premiums will increase. People That already have insurance and are healthy will likely see their premiums rise. Insurance companies will be forced to insure chronically ill people and people with pre-existing conditions.

The overall level of care for those who are already insured can expect to decrease. We will be throwing millions more people into doctors offices more frequently...... With the same amount of doctors.

Doctors are saying they will elect to NOT accept the government insurance. They still have a choice because its their business. So what if we drop $1 trillion on a healthcare reform and a huge portion of our doctors choose to not take government insured patients?

Our president passed this very quickly under our noses. Healthcare in America needs to be reformed but the American people do not want universal healthcare. Far be it from you or anyone else to tell us it's better.

IMO we need to open up the market beyond state boundaries. Currently you can only purchase healthcare in the state you reside in. We can lower coverage costs by letting in more competition...... It's a start.

[Rwy]

I play basketball every sunday morning with a bunch of bankers. After we play everyone talks about the next hot thing to buy and this one guy always says to buy guns. Its coming and you better be armed to protect your family when people turn on the government.

[Hazard]

I was just reading that most americans do not even pay for health Insurance there work gives it to them. So if this is true why are so many people against this reform? If you get it from your job it wont effect you will it?

From my understanding...... Companies are starting to cut out paying for spouses and children because of an increase in premiums.

Obamacare will cause premiums to rise..... So companies like ups are already starting to cut out spouses and children of employees.

Also..... If we flood the market with more insured people - the level of care will decrease. It affects everyone. Not to mention the tax burdens and the $1 trillion overhaul. The government doesn't even know how to fully fund this bill yet. They're putting something in place that they currently don't have the money for.

That's like you placing an order for hgh and not having the money yet. Except you can't tax anyone to come up with that money. Our government can.

[likelifting]

Republicans and Tea Party peeps are fighting for what they believe in. More power to them.

My wish is when the Gov't does start up again, they only fund about half of it. There is sooooo much wasted. Its ridiculous.

Do any of you remember the way Obamacare was forced down our throats? It was borderline illegal, imo.

[Hazard]

Republicans and Tea Party peeps are fighting for what they believe in. More power to them.

My wish is when the Gov't does start up again, they only fund about half of it. There is sooooo much wasted. Its ridiculous.

Do any of you remember the way Obamacare was forced down our throats? It was borderline illegal, imo.

Yup.....

Here's 1700 pages of healthcare reform...... U have 36hours to read it and sign it. Have a nice day America

[likelifting]

Wasn't that when Nanci said... "You have to vote for it to see whats in it"

Unbelievable.

[ppwc1985]

So the irony is, Obama doesn't care!

none of the politicians care about you and me.

[Flagg]

I'm no Obama fan, especially as he was so gung ho to go steaming into Syria with drones. Thank christ for the Russians because there is NO EVIDENCE thag Asaad used those chemical weapons. Kinda reminds of somewhere else that didn't have the weapons our politicians said were there.

Personally I don't see the big deal in universal healthcare, you can have that and private coexisting but that's just my opinion.

But what is happening in America will have potentially far reaching consequences. I'm beginning to wonder if we're witnessing the end of the U.S. dollar as the dominant currency.

Australia is doing well because it does the majority of its business with China and Asia. Maybe thats the future.

[evander87]

First off I didn't vote for Obama.

Second anybody who says "most americans don't want Obamacare" are just flat out wrong. Poll all you want. Obama ran his second term campaign on bringing this Obabacare to law. He got elected on that. People polled don't want it, but people who voted for him sure did.

I hate to say it but I hope we have this stalemate right up to and through the debt ceiling. Sure it will probably bring about economic disaster worse than the great depression but something drastic HAS to be done to get special interest out of the pocket of our government. It's big business and giant profits that run this democracy NOT the people. And until something drastic happens "we the people" are all f@cked.

[ppwc1985]

First off I didn't vote for Obama. Second anybody who says "most americans don't want Obamacare" are just flat out wrong. Poll all you want. Obama ran his second term campaign on bringing this Obabacare to law. He got elected on that. People polled don't want it, but people who voted for him sure did. I hate to say it but I hope we have this stalemate right up to and through the debt ceiling. Sure it will probably bring about economic disaster worse than the great depression but something drastic HAS to be done to get special interest out of the pocket of our government. It's big business and giant profits that run this democracy NOT the people. And until something drastic happens "we the people" are all f@cked.

^^^^ this anyone who really believes all these polls are just as crazy as the ppl who expect us to believe them.

[ppwc1985]

I'm no Obama fan, especially as he was so gung ho to go steaming into Syria with drones. Thank christ for the Russians because there is NO EVIDENCE thag Asaad used those chemical weapons. Kinda reminds of somewhere else that didn't have the weapons our politicians said were there. Personally I don't see the big deal in universal healthcare, you can have that and private coexisting but that's just my opinion. But what is happening in America will have potentially far reaching consequences. I'm beginning to wonder if we're witnessing the end of the U.S. dollar as the dominant currency. Australia is doing well because it does the majority of its business with China and Asia. Maybe thats the future.

There was WMD there, they moved a lot if them but not all. They only tell the public what they want them to know.

[Euroholic]

Views on healthcare aside. I don't see how one can shut down a whole country. What about border protection? What about Federal police? This just seems crazy. In aus there a clauses in the governor general and the queen to dissolve parliament if they have "lost faith" in them. Does the usa have anything like this?

[bass]

I don't see what the big fuss is about this obamacare. Why cant they have a healthcare system like the rest of the modern world?

why would we want a fvcked up healthcare system?! but then again sadly it seem we are headed that way anyway.

[bass]

Views on healthcare aside. I don't see how one can shut down a whole country. What about border protection? What about Federal police? This just seems crazy. In aus there a clauses in the governor general and the queen to dissolve parliament if they have "lost faith" in them. Does the usa have anything like this?

don't worry, the police and border protection is still on, don't believe what politicians say or the lying media. we are still paying taxes, getting traffic tickets and our jails are still getting filled.

[Hoggage_54]

Supreme court already ruled it constitutional...

USA needs to bring back Tea Party hero Ronald Reagan, with his 17 debt limit increases, increase in taxes, tripling of the deficit...

[Fcastle357]

Lets just do the healthcare, lets live the commi dream. The rich pay for the poor, the full feed the hungry, it's beautiful. I will work, you don't have to. The government will sell cheap affordable health care or you can keep the stuff you have but if you decide you don't want any our fines will pay for the rest. Don't worry if you can't afford to pay for the healthcare the government provides we will get a subsidy payed for by others. Wake up! WHY DO YOU WANT TO RELY ON THE GOVERNMENT? Only reason I can think of is because you can't do it yourself.