First Pin Cycle! Test Cyp Base / M-drol Kick Start / Anavar Finish - Please Advise

[Gpmaury]

I would recommend reading the above sticky and then spend some time reading as many others as you can. Your proposed cycle is drastically different than what will be recommended here.

Thanks for the link but I've already read through that a couple dozen times as well as countless other articles. I've been researching and preparing for some time now.

I know the cycle i'm proposing is different than the example in the thread you mention but that doesn't mean it isn't worth doing. I know what it feels like to get shut down and if I'm going to go through that it better be worth it IMO and a test only cycle doesn't seem worth it to me tbh (and boring). Besides Anavar is a very mild oral and I've had experience with m-drol before so I know what to expect from my body.

[Zodiac85]

Thanks for the link but I've already read through that a couple dozen times as well as countless other articles. I've been researching and preparing for some time now.

I know the cycle i'm proposing is different than the example in the thread you mention but that doesn't mean it isn't worth doing. I know what it feels like to get shut down and if I'm going to go through that it better be worth it IMO and a test only cycle doesn't seem worth it to me tbh (and boring). Besides Anavar is a very mild oral and I've had experience with m-drol before so I know what to expect from my body.

Sounds like you've got it all figured out. If you were asking for input I'd recommend following the well researched protocol in the thread I linked. I think your previous wasted cycles have you underestimating the power of testosterone, but I don't have enough experience to argue about it. Maybe some vets will have different advice for you.

[Gpmaury]

Sounds like you've got it all figured out. If you were asking for input I'd recommend following the well researched protocol in the thread I linked. I think your previous wasted cycles have you underestimating the power of testosterone, but I don't have enough experience to argue about it. Maybe some vets will have different advice for you.

I don't have it all figured out; thus the need for this thread. Did you read at all what I wrote in my first post? I actually do value and estimate correctly the need for testosterone in any cycle; going without it just doesn't make sense. I was just saying that IMO a test only cycle is for me at least not that appealing; not that you won't get results, just not the ones I want.

I would love to hear from some vets. It actually pisses me off a bit that some members posts their cycles with little to no info or nothing and everyone comes rushing in to ask them for stats to make a recommendation; I spend all this time writing this thread being as thorough as possible and no one replies with useful information on the cycle I'm trying to get together...I don't get it.

[Zodiac85]

I spend all this time writing this thread being as thorough as possible and no one replies with useful information on the cycle I'm trying to get together...I don't get it.

Look, I'm not trying to be argumentative here. The thing that you're not getting is that there is a very specific protocol that will be recommended on this site. People will not reply with useful information on your cycle, because most will disagree with your cycle. For starters, I don't anticipate anyone will agree with using M-drol to kick start and anavar to finish. If you have spent much time researching on this site, you would be well aware and at least not surprised by the responses. You are welcome to do whatever you want, however.

I'll leave it there. I'm sure you'll get some responses from some more veteran members soon.

[Gpmaury]

Look, I'm not trying to be argumentative here. The thing that you're not getting is that there is a very specific protocol that will be recommended on this site. People will not reply with useful information on your cycle, because most will disagree with your cycle. For starters, I don't anticipate anyone will agree with using M-drol to kick start and anavar to finish. If you have spent much time researching on this site, you would be well aware and at least not surprised by the responses. You are welcome to do whatever you want, however.

I'll leave it there. I'm sure you'll get some responses from some more veteran members soon.

I understand that there's a protocol but what's so wrong with thinking outside the box? And if people don't agree with the cycle they should say why they don't agree with it; not just say go read some more and come back to us when you're a freaking genius expert at AAS and then we'll answer your questions (which btw is asinine, why the hell would I ask you something I already know about).

The reasons I'm using M-drol as a kick start is:
1.)I had some left over from my previous cycle and though I would use it.
2.)I know how my body reacts to it and it kicks in rather quickly FOR ME; by the end of the second week I'm already gaining strength and weight is starting to creep up.
3.)From what I've gathered it would be useful if followed by an Anavar cycle to cut the soft gains had by the m-drol which I know affect me that way. M-drol gains are not as "hard" at least for me and Anavar is the number 1 steroid for hard (cutting) gains (that i'm aware about). So if I can harden the soft (yet considerable) gains of the m-drol with the anavar then it would sound to me to be a successful and worthwhile cycle. But you can't take these together, as two orals at the same time is hardly ever recommended so if you can use a bridge of sorts in the test cyp then maybe this cycle can work; separating the two intra-cycle. That's my reasoning anyway.

By the way I've researched and the majority of the cycles that used M-drol as a kick start were successful and positively reviewed by THIS forum. If I had permissions to place URL'S I would link the hell out of this post so you can see I'm not the first to suggest this route. Now if someone comes up and tells me that this won't work because some scientific reasoning then of course I'll consider changing my cycle but I won't just because it's not "protocol".

[austinite]

I feel bad that you didn't get any smarter answers, so heres a bump.

I don't know if you found your answer yet, but yes cyp is typically 18 days from last pin to PCT.

He did get good advice. You covered it well. Some folks just won't stop until they specifically hear what they want to hear. Otherwise it's in one ear and out the other. I don't get why people even ask for advice in these cases. It just becomes a waste of our time.

[Gpmaury]

He did get good advice. You covered it well. Some folks just won't stop until they specifically hear what they want to hear. Otherwise it's in one ear and out the other. I don't get why people even ask for advice in these cases. It just becomes a waste of our time.

With all due respect you don't know me well enough to make those assumptions about me. I apologize if I wasted your time or anyone else's.

[austinite]

With all due respect you don't know me well enough to make those assumptions about me. I apologize if I wasted your time or anyone else's.

No need to apologize. I never specified you. (Although I think you should start from scratch because you're not ready to cycle) I merey told him that he gave you good advice and generalized the rest.

So relax...