Got a script but not much info

[jay adams]

So if I decide to inject 50mg every Monday morning and Thursday night when is the best time to get a lab? When you say peak do you mean if I inject on Monday morning and get a test done Monday night, Tuesday morning , wed morning and Thursday morning there would a curve. Monday night the the lowest then levels would continue to rise and Tuesday/wed morning will have the highest numbers then thursday morning would be lower and so on? So if I inject Monday morning I should get a lab done Thursday morning? You think my levels will be over 800?

levels peak 24 hours after injections. Every 3.5 days should keep you pretty much level all week. I don't know where you would be cause everyone reacts different. I take 40mg every 3.5 days and Im in the mid 800's. My free t is a little high but it's acceptable according to my lowt.com doc.

Just gotta get those bloods. If you do 50mg every 3.5 and do blood AND your normal, that will be great. Your doc will keep giving you the script for 200 a week. Thats what I would do.

I also agree with EasyDoesIt that you'll eventually need a better doc to work with. I had a good doctor but she didn't know squat about TRT. Eventually I went with Lowtestosterone .com. Doing well now.

[Machdiesel]

Here's how it went down. I got my GP to test my testosterone and it came back low. I went to an endo with those labs and we discussed my options. He said he prescribed gels and in rare cases injectable. I said I would prefer 2x a week injections and he said he only does once a week. He said he would re take bloods and call me with the results and options. 2 days later he called and said my total/free test was alil low but leutinizing and something else was normal. He didn't think I needed trt. I said I wanted to try it and he said he would call In a script for the gel. Again I said I wanted injections and asked about estrogen and hcg and he said just come in and well go over everything. I came in and he tried to push the gel again but eventuslly said he'd prescribe a once a week injection. I asked about AIs and testing and he said it wasn't needed. I talked him into testing after 4 weeks. As he took out his script pad and was writing the script I asked what dosage and he said 200mg a week. At this point I just wanted to get the script and leave. I think as long as I'm in somewhat normal ranges for that he won't ask any questions. Initially he wanted to test after 3 months so he doesn't seem to concerned

[Machdiesel]

Awesome man thanks. I would use a clinic but if my insurance covers this then ill stick with that. If he won't give me an AI I still have lots of options for that if needed. So injections Monday morning and Thursday night, and get bloods done Thursday morning. Sounds good thanks jay. After all this I'm exactly where I thought I was gonna be. I assumed he would give me a 1x100mg and I'd split it up myself. I was thrown alil with the 200mg a week script

[jay adams]

Just the fact that he wanted to wait three months to retest tells you something funny. You def want to test sooner. Try to get him to wait closer to six weeks if you can so your body can adjust. Did you post your labs for the guys on here to critique?

[Machdiesel]

Total test was tested 3x in the past 3 months and between 260 and 305. Free test was 1.5 points below the normal range(6.5 I think). Leutinizing hormone was in normal range. Everything else was normal. I have the lab slip filled out I just have to go. He said 3 months I said 4 weeks so he just gave me slip and said go anytime after 4 weeks. I got him to add e2 to the slip,

[jay adams]

Sounds like your lined up. You know all the stuff Im saying is just my opinion. Im a new booty too.haha. Tomorrow you'll prob get some better advice from the vets.

And you can order syringes online real cheap. Depends on what state your in if you need a script. Im in California and pay 15/20 bucks every 4 months.

Let us know how you feel after you begin. I started feeling better after a week and its still getting better four months in. Good luck.

[Machdiesel]

^ thanks. I knew 50mg 2x a week was what most peopel suggest as a jumping off point. When I got the higher dosage all of a sudden I had options and maybe over thought it. I'll check tomorrow for more opinions

[imnotnatty]

Enjoy your rx, get ready to feel super good! You're girl will be happy as well one tip, avoid the paddock brand, try to get Watson or Pfizer, some pharmacies are trying to pass cheap gear, when you drop off the rx ask, if they don't have move on to another one.

[Machdiesel]

Ok Guys one last dumb question. Do you think my levels will be similiar if I were to A. Take a 200mg shot Tuesday and get tested 6 days later on Monday or take a 50mg shot Monday and get tested Thursday morning?

[Moparman]

I'd inject once a week and test right before next injection. Get the lowest reading. It's what ur docs looking for. If u go twice a week your levels will be higher and he might cut ur dose. If u do modify it go lower on the dose. Then after the bw go to twice a week.

[Machdiesel]

I'd inject once a week and test right before next injection. Get the lowest reading. It's what ur docs looking for. If u go twice a week your levels will be higher and he might cut ur dose. If u do modify it go lower on the dose. Then after the bw go to twice a week.

This is exactly what I was thinking, so trying to find out the best way to have the right number to keep things going. On the same token I want accurate numbers to kmow were I'm at . What I'm thinking is just get the test Thursday morning and see what the numbers say, if he says anything I can just tell him I took the test a few days after injection and forgot to wait the full 7 days. We will see

[Machdiesel]

Ok so I did my first injection with a 21 gauge needle, used the same one to draw and inject. This Was my first time injecțimg anything and it was absolutely painless. I was shocked how easy it went it, didn't feel like I was forcing anything. Right now all I have is 29 21g 1 inch needles so going to continue unless any problems arise. I'm rotating glutes and quads.

[redhawk01]

Ok so I did my first injection with a 21 gauge needle, used the same one to draw and inject. This Was my first time injec?img anything and it was absolutely painless. I was shocked how easy it went it, didn't feel like I was forcing anything. Right now all I have is 29 21g 1 inch needles so going to continue unless any problems arise. I'm rotating glutes and quads.

You should be using one to draw, and a new one to inject. First one gets dull going thru rubber stopper.

[Machdiesel]

You should be using one to draw, and a new one to inject. First one gets dull going thru rubber stopper.

Doc only have me a script for 30 needles, said 1 was fine

[EasyDoesIt]

Doc only have me a script for 30 needles, said 1 was fine

The sponsor~ here ar-r has syringes and other products you may want or want in future. All there products are top notch. I use 18 gauge to draw, but initially just to get started you can use same for drawing and injecting, but it's not preferred, the needle dulls immediately.
FYI- I would not be to worried about milking the test situation for a cycle later, you are not going to get that much extra. I would just be concerned about getting yourself straightened out. At your age i would be more concerned about why test levels are so low. If you looked around this forum, cycles of test usually run in the 500mg per week range. I see to many young guys today with really low test and wonder what the heck is going on besides stress and lack of sleep.

[Machdiesel]

I do have an undescended testicle (only 1 testicle) so that could be the reason. I'm not basing my protocol on having extra at all, just what is best

[EasyDoesIt]

I do have an undescended testicle (only 1 testicle) so that could be the reason. I'm not basing my protocol on having extra at all, just what is best

That is probably the reason. Have you looked into surgery? Don't know much about it other than online states you may not produce enough test.

[Machdiesel]

I've had it since birth, lol didn't even know until my teens. Imagine the day u find out everyone has 2 of those. . . I guess I should find out the details but I think that's the reason

[EasyDoesIt]

I've had it since birth, lol didn't even know until my teens. Imagine the day u find out everyone has 2 of those. . . I guess I should find out the details but I think that's the reason

Just a quick glance online stated may cause you not to produce enough test. Also, it does usually happen at birth and sometimes sets itself within a couple years. Would def be worth looking at a cause for your problem as opposed to a bandaid if possible.
Best!

[powerlifterty16]

wonder if you have klinefelters. how tall are you, and are you skinnyfat with wide hips?
that sucks about the undescended testicle. maybe hcg could help.

[Machdiesel]

Just looked up klinefelters, I'm 99% sure I don't but def something to ask my endo. When I told him about my testicle he asked about facial hair growth, inspected my physique, my public hair, penis etc. Looking back it looks like he was checking for klinefelter symptoms. I'm am 6"0 and would be considered skinny fat. Domt gain fat anywhere except lower abs/hips and chest. Even at 20% bf I have pretty lean vascular delts and arms but really bad love handles.

Anyway looking into buying some 25g needles at Ar and drawing with the 21g I have then using the 25g for my injection

[EasyDoesIt]

J

Anyway looking into buying some 25g needles at Ar and drawing with the 21g I have then using the 25g for my injection

I would get 18g to draw out.

[Machdiesel]

Just tlsked to my father. Had an undescended testicle. Had surgery when I was 2 and there was no testicle only a bud so it wasmt dropped and not removed. I don't have klonefleters or anything related to the testicle. Since my leutinizing hormone was normal and thyroid was normal the endo thought this could be the reason.

[EverettCD]

Anyway looking into buying some 25g needles at Ar and drawing with the 21g I have then using the 25g for my injection

I draw & inject with 25G. No need for two different sizes.

[Machdiesel]

I draw & inject with 25G. No need for two different sizes.

To be honest I'm just gonna use the 21g I have and use the same one to draw/inject untill I run into a problem. I did my first injection ever yesterday and it was super easy so just going to continue doing it like this.

[Machdiesel]

Is there any truth to not needing hcg if you are are primary?

[EasyDoesIt]

I draw & inject with 25G. No need for two different sizes.

Sorry i totally disagree with you. You can use both, but the syringe does dull immediately (that is a FACT) when it hits the rubber stopper. I personally don't like to shove a needle into rubber and then shoot it in me. I'm betting most on this site draw with one and inject with another.

[jay adams]

Sorry i totally disagree with you. You can use both, but the syringe does dull immediately (that is a FACT) when it hits the rubber stopper. I personally don't like to shove a needle into rubber and then shoot it in me. I'm betting most on this site draw with one and inject with another.

I think ECD does swap the tips. He just uses the same size for the draw and injection. The op is wanting to use the same tip.

You might want to swap those tips Mach. I've read about pieces of the stopper getting lodged in the needle and it bends the tip up enough to not be good for tissue in the long run.

[Machdiesel]

25g is big enough? I usually see people using 23g in IM youtube how to videos

[jay adams]

25g is big enough? I usually see people using 23g in IM youtube how to videos

you can use 25's for sure. Its up to you. I think Easy is just concerned about you not swapping the tips. Shit, you could use 28's if you wanted. Just slower to load but a smaller hole.

[EverettCD]

I think ECD does swap the tips. He just uses the same size for the draw and injection. The op is wanting to use the same tip. You might want to swap those tips Mach. I've read about pieces of the stopper getting lodged in the needle and it bends the tip up enough to not be good for tissue in the long run.

That's correct. I draw with one needle, replace with a new needle then inject.

If you're going to inject twice per week large bore needles will damage the rubber top of the vial after multiple draws. Eventually your vial will no longer be sterile.

Sent from my iPhone that was manufactured in a sweat shop in China®

[EverettCD]

25g is big enough? I usually see people using 23g in IM youtube how to videos

25g is more than big enough.

Sent from my iPhone that was manufactured in a sweat shop in China®

[Machdiesel]

Well cvs gave me a box of 100 21g needle/syringes for 2.98$ so I just went on AR and got 100 25g needles, looks like I'm set for a while

[EasyDoesIt]

To be honest I'm just gonna use the 21g I have and use the same one to draw/inject untill I run into a problem. I did my first injection ever yesterday and it was super easy so just going to continue doing it like this.

Well cvs gave me a box of 100 21g needle/syringes for 2.98$ so I just went on AR and got 100 25g needles, looks like I'm set for a while

What made you change your mind? Anyways glad to see your set up, don't over think the whole thing just start feeling better and keep learning like all of us.

[Machdiesel]

Just better to be safe then sorry

[Machdiesel]

Just alil update. First my glute injections were EXTREMELY SORE! Decided to switch to quads and much better. Today was my first injection with a fresh 25g and went smoothly, expecting little to no soreness tomorrow . After a ton of over analyzing I decided on 60mg every 3 days(not mon/Thurs but every 3 days first thing in the morning). My diet and workouts are dialed in. I'm doing paleo with basically zero carbs and feel great. Gonna just keep cutting untill I'm as lean as I want to maintain then do a blast for some size, prob 12-13% bf. Feeling amazing on paleo with tons of energy, can't wait for 2-3 more weeks when the test kicks in! Right now I'm losing 1-2 lbs a week, usually closer to 1 which is a good rate for me. Prob need to lose 10-15 more lbs to look how I wanna look.


BW in 4-6 weeks. Doc just gave me the slip to take to labcorp and said just go anytime after 5 weeks. He wanted to wait 3 months but I insisted we get them quicker