**Marcus's HIT Dungeon**

[mockery]

Because after today, I have to take the next 3 days off due to travel and new year plans. I suppose I could take 4 days off, but I don't want to.

Well that makes sense then because you are traveling.

I was just curious why you would rather train bis then do back the very next day then rest for three apposed to bis, rest, back then off off new routine. For me in my head i rather give the bis 48 hours more or less to recover to achieve a greater back work out.

im curious with ever person and why they do what they.

[Java Man]

I love decline over any of the rest of the pressing exercises get on it and report back jm

Will do.

Good man, keep on it

I will.

They're great. Make sure the seat belt works!

Haha! good advice

[AD]

cause in uni learning about how digestive system and the muscle fighting for blood can cause a conflict when shoveling food and working out 15 minutes later. Trying to find a balance of science and 80;s old school lifting lifting concepts. Trial and error i guess, ive gone a few roads that were a waste of time but had to find what works for me. Running high BCAA in a fasted work out along with my TRT did alright in terms of tissue growth. coupled with high volume training and eating 1000-1500 over my maintenance calories i was able to spare muscle wasting. Obviously not a $$$ smart way as i was burning $150.00 a month on BCAA alone. But i made due with my situation.

Now when i move and have a change of life, change of routine. The next step in my chapter is to cardio in the am and training late evenings because the muscle growth i just obtained in the past 17 months was the easy growth, I know that with more serious growth and as i get on with age i need to use every tool available. So last week was the last week of fasted resistance training for me, it worked or i "got lucky" regardless onto bigger and better things.

so it was your science prof that taught you to train fasted? you're not majoring in botany are you?

[Java Man]

making progress DC, thick. what are stats and goals if you dont mind me asking bro? good to see some progress pics comin in its been awhile.

x2 ^^^

[Hazard]

260 yesterday.....

[Cuz]

260 yesterday.....

deltoids are huge Haz

[Mp859]

260 yesterday.....

How many tank tops do you own?

Looking like a beast though bro!!

[mockery]

so it was your science prof that taught you to train fasted? you're not majoring in botany are you?

training fasted was something that i chose on my own, and with the gains Ive made i doubt i could have got any better then what i did had i been eating prior to my work outs. The end result was more then desirable. Tissue was build, and some fat maybe lost that or my body weight going up causing my fat % to only lower through math and not fat loss.

Not saying that this is a break through or the way to train, i had a situation that i had to adapt to. I over think alot of things, in my pursuit of knowledge for my myself. And as Marcus pointed out several times this is not a good idea at all.

i got lucky

[mockery]

finally found pants that look nice and fit and have some stretch to them for bloated days, lulu lemon of all places. check out their "mission" pants

[Hazard]

How many tank tops do you own?

Looking like a beast though bro!!

Lmfao like 5 or 6 haha. I only workout in them because I sweat like a fvck. If pass out in a sweatshirt and I don't wanna stretch out a t-shirt

[Rusty11]

Why on earth would you trained fasted no matter what time you get up its retarded, get some food down.

Lets see a picture of what your working with

I spent a few months training fasted at 4:30 a.m. That was a year+ ago. I was so tired after work(lazy ass). I gained strength, but no size. Weight always stayed the same. I learned that this wasn't going to work. Now, I train after work. Weight and size has gone up significantly since changing things around(yea, I'm still small compared to you guys ). When we have meetings and these long-winded teachers start babbling about insignificant bs, the f'n vein on my neck starts popping. All I can think about is getting home and working those weights. So, Mockery, stop the madness and eat 45 mins before or try to change up your schedule.

[Java Man]

260 yesterday.....

Looking good haz. What do you do to get those awesome traps? I am bringing mine up and they are strong as hell but I want them high and thick like yours.

[Giggle]

NICE Hazard! Very nice shoulders - thick and round. Like bowling balls haha.

Lmfao like 5 or 6 haha. I only workout in them because I sweat like a fvck. If pass out in a sweatshirt and I don't wanna stretch out a t-shirt

260 yesterday.....

[Hazard]

Looking good haz. What do you do to get those awesome traps? I am bringing mine up and they are strong as hell but I want them high and thick like yours.

I'll reply when I get home..... Driving

[Mp859]

Lmfao like 5 or 6 haha. I only workout in them because I sweat like a fvck. If pass out in a sweatshirt and I don't wanna stretch out a t-shirt

I feel you. If I wear a sweatshirt it's off after the first set.

I also like to see the muscle working personally except for legs. I keep those bad boys covered up until summer.

[Rusty11]

260 yesterday.....

Sweet. I wonder what my body would look like with 75 more lbs. of muscle. Cripes.
Now, take the shirt off next time. I wanna see your back

[Mp859]

Sweet. I wonder what my body would look like with 75 more lbs. of muscle. Cripes.
Now, take the pants off next time. I wanna see your back

Gross

[Java Man]

Sweet. I wonder what my body would look like with 75 more lbs. of muscle. Cripes.
Now, take the shirt off next time. I wanna see your back

Lol. So do I! Me, not you. I want to know what I would look like with 75lbs more muscle. I think we all think this way lol.

[Rusty11]

Gross

Lol. Thanks for fixing that for me.

[Mp859]

Blew my arms up tonight
Biceps

Bb curl
2 feel
1 working

Hammer curls
2 feel
1w

Preacher curls
2 feel
1 working double drop

Concentration curls

Tris
Db skull crushers
2 feel
1 working

Bb skull rushers

Close grip bench on smith

1 feel
2 working
I was severely pumped by this point. Arms were throbbing.

So I had did dips

2 sets to failure

A little ab work and then off to eat. I try to go as heavy as I can all the time. I had a training partner to tonight which really helped.

[Java Man]

I like it, Igi! I hate to tie myself to an old stale routine; especially with the demands of work. You know how it is, sometimes there are 2-3 days gaps between lifts and there are times I can manage to get 4 consecutive days in.
That's one of several benefits I've noticed about the 5 day routine/ rotation Marcus posted. If I do miss a day, so be it. I tend to think of my lifting schedule in terms of "which body part is next" vs." Oh crap, what day of the week is it? I have to work a certain body part or my schedule will be screwed."

That is how I approach my 'schedule' too. I put that in quotes because I don't really have a schedule. If I feel I need a day off, I take one. It doesn't matter what day of the week it is. If I'm due to train legs and decided to rest instead, I'll do legs the next time I'm in the gym. I watch people stress themselves out over what day of the week it is and just shake my head.. As if biceps will only grow on tuesdays. Lol.

[Mp859]

Lol. Thanks for fixing that for me.

Anytime bro

[Java Man]

Cheers Igi, the road is a long and winding one but I will get there I know it, I have imo done well so far I'd love to actually have proper pics taken as you can't see it all correctly where I have moved on from but still not where I wanna be.

None of us are where we want to be buddy. Youre doing great.

[Cuz]

None of us are where we want to be buddy. Youre doing great.

agreed, I think nutrition is holding me back, I just cant eat anymore...I don't know what else to do to get any bigger. Im talking about being 'off" of course...its tuff holding on to the gains but im doing ok with it. Look leaner up top but my belly is getting fatter...wtf lol.

[Igifuno]

260 yesterday.....

Looking mechanical Haz..

[Java Man]

agreed, I think nutrition is holding me back, I just cant eat anymore...I don't know what else to do to get any bigger. Im talking about being 'off" of course...its tuff holding on to the gains but im doing ok with it. Look leaner up top but my belly is getting fatter...wtf lol.

Yes you can. Its a mind over stomach thing. Every time I feel like I'll puke if I take one more bite, I take that bite. I've been doing that all year. Its a slow process but I ate a triple burger on saturday with fries and another double a half hour later. I wasn't even full after that. I can eat twice as much or more in a sitting than I could a year ago and I eat more often than I did then too. Stretch that stomach wall just like you do other muscles.

I am actually starting to gain a little weight again, off cycle, but some of that is fat. It will come off later. For now, I refuse to let any of this hard earned lean muscle go so if I have to put on a little fat to do it, fine.

[Cuz]

Yes you can. Its a mind over stomach thing. Every time I feel like I'll puke if I take one more bite, I take that bite. I've been doing that all year. Its a slow process but I ate a triple burger on saturday with fries and another double a half hour later. I wasn't even full after that. I can eat twice as much or more in a sitting than I could a year ago and I eat more often than I did then too. Stretch that stomach wall just like you do other muscles.

I am actually starting to gain a little weight again, off cycle, but some of that is fat. It will come off later. For now, I refuse to let any of this hard earned lean muscle go so if I have to put on a little fat to do it, fine.

I know...me and my damn excuses lol. You are right though, no sense in letting the hard earn tissue waste away. Im gonna eat another meal before bedtime it has to be done..

[Java Man]

I know...me and my damn excuses lol. You are right though, no sense in letting the hard earn tissue waste away. Im gonna eat another meal before bedtime it has to be done..

Haha that's the spirit!

[kelkel]

Lmfao like 5 or 6 haha. I only workout in them because I sweat like a fvck. If pass out in a sweatshirt and I don't wanna stretch out a t-shirt

So stop wearing mediums......

[kelkel]

None of us are where we want to be buddy.

I am. I'm above ground.

[marcus300]

cause in uni learning about how digestive system and the muscle fighting for blood can cause a conflict when shoveling food and working out 15 minutes later. Trying to find a balance of science and 80;s old school lifting lifting concepts. Trial and error i guess, ive gone a few roads that were a waste of time but had to find what works for me. Running high BCAA in a fasted work out along with my TRT did alright in terms of tissue growth. coupled with high volume training and eating 1000-1500 over my maintenance calories i was able to spare muscle wasting. Obviously not a $$$ smart way as i was burning $150.00 a month on BCAA alone. But i made due with my situation.

Now when i move and have a change of life, change of routine. The next step in my chapter is to cardio in the am and training late evenings because the muscle growth i just obtained in the past 17 months was the easy growth, I know that with more serious growth and as i get on with age i need to use every tool available. So last week was the last week of fasted resistance training for me, it worked or i "got lucky" regardless onto bigger and better things.

Well your wrong, you never ever miss an opportunity to feed the body. You was bulking and your doing fasted training its stupid. Listen to guys who are big and how they have done it.

Where are your pictures you keep promising?

[Java Man]

Well your wrong, you never ever miss an opportunity to feed the body. You was bulking and your doing fasted training its stupid. Listen to guys who are big and how they have done it.

Where are your pictures you keep promising?

x2. Lets see what you're working with.

[Java Man]

I am. I'm above ground.

True lol. I mean with our bodies, while still above ground.

[almostgone]

260 yesterday.....

Impressive, Haz. Nice water jug on the bench on the background! I have the same model.

[almostgone]

Working first shift today (Don't really like day shift but it's just for today). Got in 30 min. on the treadmill this morning. Scheduled to work 12 hrs. today; if I can escape earlier I'll hit shoulders this evening. If not it will be in the morning.

[mockery]

Well your wrong, you never ever miss an opportunity to feed the body. You was bulking and your doing fasted training its stupid. Listen to guys who are big and how they have done it.

Where are your pictures you keep promising?

If 10 kilos of muscle in 6 months is stupid, then i am ok with being called stupid Again missing the point, I had to do adapt to my situation, i could have skipped days or complained or made excuses. but regardless if it wasn't the most optimal way i was still there every morning at 5am working hard. And now that im having a change in life and doing something different i am taking advantage of now being able to changing my training hours around so that i dont have to continue down the road i was on.

[Back In Black]

Can you imagine if this guy was 4 inches taller and carried the same ratio of LBM. Thought it might be a 'little' inspiration

[mockery]

Im not sure if i understood marcus right but tonight doing reverse grip pull downs i was trying to curl inward while keeping my chest up. No idea if i was doing it right, but i had to drop the stack by half and my lats were on fire like i pulled them.

great blunder or doing something right. unsure but my back got hammered.

[Java Man]

Can you imagine if this guy was 40 inches taller and carried the same ratio of LBM. Thought it might be a 'little' inspiration

Who is this? 4' 10 3/4", 172lbs? A small guess...

[Back In Black]

Who is this? 4' 10 3/4", 172lbs? A small guess...

5'5 I think
220lbs

It's your current 212lb Mr Olympia, Flex Lewis