Thoughts on upcoming cycle

[Igifuno]

What is your bf% right now dbol? Also, would like some clarity on your goals here. As you know, this is a 'cutting' cycle, but you mention looking for water retention and are considering drol/dbol...

In the meantime, couple thoughts:

- Prop and tren doses are good
- You may want to consider caber or prami with tren
- I would run the winny 7-12 at 50mg/ed minimum
- HCG should be run during cycle, and not with PCT
- Add clomid to your PCT regimine

[DADDYDBOL]

What is your bf% right now dbol? Also, would like some clarity on your goals here. As you know, this is a 'cutting' cycle, but you mention looking for water retention and are considering drol/dbol...

In the meantime, couple thoughts:

- Prop and tren doses are good
- You may want to consider caber or prami with tren
- I would run the winny 7-12 at 50mg/ed minimum
- HCG should be run during cycle, and not with PCT
- Add clomid to your PCT regimine

I don't know my BF but if I was to guess I would say around 10-12%

As far as goals they really aren't set in stone, while I want as much mass as possible this will be wrapping up at the start of spring I would like to not be carrying excess BF for summer, single now and it has been a hell of a last couple years I guess I would like to just have a nice physique for summer.

Yes I know the drol and bol will bloat me but I have never had winny, wouldn't that eliminate the water retention from the start if the start of the cycle or is that a bit useless given the fast acting qualities of the prop and tren?

I would always start HCG a week or so after my last injection of cyp, being as this is prop when would you start HCG? I was going to run arimidex for my AI.

Clomid and nolva for PCT? In the past I would use clomid during the cycle with just Nolvadex and HCG for PCT, arimidex works better as and AI so what would you suggest?

[Lunk1]

I don't know my BF but if I was to guess I would say around 10-12%

As far as goals they really aren't set in stone, while I want as much mass as possible this will be wrapping up at the start of spring I would like to not be carrying excess BF for summer, single now and it has been a hell of a last couple years I guess I would like to just have a nice physique for summer.

Yes I know the drol and bol will bloat me but I have never had winny, wouldn't that eliminate the water retention from the start if the start of the cycle or is that a bit useless given the fast acting qualities of the prop and tren?

I would always start HCG a week or so after my last injection of cyp, being as this is prop when would you start HCG? I was going to run arimidex for my AI.

Clomid and nolva for PCT? In the past I would use clomid during the cycle with just Nolvadex and HCG for PCT, arimidex works better as and AI so what would you suggest?

Clomid and Nolva are both SERMS not AI's and should be used during the PCT not during cycle.
HCG will keep the boys healthy and promote easier recovery during PCT. Start it when as soon as you start the cycle then stop at last pin. No reason to keep things suppressed while trying to PCT!

[DADDYDBOL]

Clomid and Nolva are both SERMS not AI's and should be used during the PCT not during cycle.
HCG will keep the boys healthy and promote easier recovery during PCT. Start it when as soon as you start the cycle then stop at last pin. No reason to keep things suppressed while trying to PCT!

So 500iu ED during the entire cycle? And how would you dose the clomid and nolva during PCT?

I swear I read somewhere you could shut down something if you ran HCG for long periods but its been years since I read that and cannot remember the details.

Thanks Lunk

[Igifuno]

Igifuno, I am hoping for little water retention, this will be my first go around with prop and tren but I was always under the impression that using HCG for long periods of time wasn't good. Great for PCT but not ideal for 10 weeks plus use.

Good read for you on HCG: courtesty of Austinite
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...njections.html

If you're specifically looking for water retention, you may want to just lose the winny, and then proceed like this:

1-4 dbol: 40mg/ed
1-12 prop: 200mg/eod
1-12 (could also do 1-10) tren: 100mg/eod

You'll be fine running HCG for 8 weeks so if you're running 12 weeks cycle, start your HCG on week 4

So 500iu ED during the entire cycle? And how would you dose the clomid and nolva during PCT?

I swear I read somewhere you could shut down something if you ran HCG for long periods but its been years since I read that and cannot remember the details.

Thanks Lunk

What Lunk said

[DADDYDBOL]

Good read for you on HCG: courtesty of Austinite
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...njections.html

If you're specifically looking for water retention, you may want to just lose the winny, and then proceed like this:

1-4 dbol: 40mg/ed
1-12 prop: 200mg/eod
1-12 (could also do 1-10) tren: 100mg/eod

You'll be fine running HCG for 8 weeks so if you're running 12 weeks cycle, start your HCG on week 4



What Lunk said

thanks Igi, no looking for little bloat just always used an oral to kick off my cycles. I am actually just going to drop the winny and run prop and tren along with AI and HCG

thanks again! seems like there has been a lot of confusion over the use of HCG, it says IM injections are fine as well which I didn't know so I could actually mix it with 2 of my weekly injections correct? I was going to inject the test and tren in one syringe so could I also mix the HCG on the 1st and 3rd injection?

[Igifuno]

thanks Igi, no looking for little bloat just always used an oral to kick off my cycles. I am actually just going to drop the winny and run prop and tren along with AI and HCG I like it

thanks again! seems like there has been a lot of confusion over the use of HCG, it says IM injections are fine as well which I didn't know so I could actually mix it with 2 of my weekly injections correct? I was going to inject the test and tren in one syringe so could I also mix the HCG on the 1st and 3rd injection?I know many who do it, I personally don't like to mix water and oil but yes, you can do it and I'm not aware of any reason why you can't. Sub-q is easier for me and I don't even feel it.

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[Igifuno]

I don't know my BF but if I was to guess I would say around 10-12% Good bf% to start a cycle

As far as goals they really aren't set in stone, while I want as much mass as possible this will be wrapping up at the start of spring I would like to not be carrying excess BF for summer, single now and it has been a hell of a last couple years I guess I would like to just have a nice physique for summer. So I think you want to 'cut'

Yes I know the drol and bol will bloat me but I have never had winny, wouldn't that eliminate the water retention from the start if the start of the cycle or is that a bit useless given the fast acting qualities of the prop and tren? No, winny would not 'counteract' the effects of any other steroid. In fact, you may not get (or I should say see) the full effect of the winny if you're bloated from drol or dbol

I would always start HCG a week or so after my last injection of cyp, being as this is prop when would you start HCG? I was going to run arimidex for my AI. Again, HCG should be run during cycle to minimize testicular atrophy. Don't run it during PCT as it continues to suppress your system, and you're trying to 'restart' your system.

Clomid and nolva for PCT? In the past I would use clomid during the cycle with just Nolvadex and HCG for PCT, arimidex works better as and AI so what would you suggest?

Run your AI, arimidex during cycle, and Clomid/Nolv for PCT like this:

Clomid: 100/50/50/50
Nolv: 40/20/20/20