**Marcus's HIT Dungeon**

[biggjd69]

Hey Bigg, I'm not Marcus but being 43 I might have some insight. Some days for any given body part I have to warm up a little more before I start hitting the heavy weights. On my first exercise I will do 3 or 4 lighter sets to get the blood flowing to the muscles and joints and then go into my feel set and working set. Being older it takes some time to get the body ready for the heavy sets. I've never seen you train but maybe your trying to use more weight than you should. Watching Dorians blood and guts made me realize lifting heavy doesn't mean you have to sacrifice form. If you watch him he never contorts his body or breaks form even on his last few reps. His movements are fluid the whole set. Concentrate on the muscle your working and the contraction not moving the weight and you can use a lighter weight and still fall in the6 to 12 rep range. This has helped me a lot the last year and I've had less strains and joint problems. Hope this helps Bigg.

Thanks THunder

[biggjd69]

Hey big.. quick thoughts on this. Keep in mind that HIT training is indeed an advanced training technique that can be hard on the body. If you're continuously suffering injuries, it is probably your body telling you that its not accepting that level of intensity yet, and if I were you, I would consider taking a couple steps back and working your way up with regard to the technique and the intensity behind your training sessions.

Thanks Ig

[Igifuno]

Many years ago I use to train twice per day I did this for around 1 year I would train in the mornings and late afternoons, in-between I would eat and sleep and do little of anything else. I gained an enormous amount of muscle tissue in such a short time but I was also doing really heavy short burst cycles with high dose growth hormone. Recently i am thinking of doing this again when time permits which would work out at around 3 days. Not sure if my body could still take the pounding but i was wondering if anyone else has done this or even considered it? Ive not done this for around 15-17 yrs so it would be very hard on my system but i am thinking of doing some bulking and i am sure i can fit this around my lifestyle.

I've never considered it.. mostly due to my life outside training and the time it takes. In the past, I have trained twice a day but one session was only cardio, not resistance training, so that doesn't count. I'd be interested to see the results of that approach though.

[marcus300]

I've never considered it.. mostly due to my life outside training and the time it takes. In the past, I have trained twice a day but one session was only cardio, not resistance training, so that doesn't count. I'd be interested to see the results of that approach though.

Well igi I'm considering it I might be able to do 2 or 3 days were I can do it. Going on cycle soon so might give it a go. The cycle won't be heavy though and I'll probably do major then minor to help with fatigue. Would you do it igi if your lifestyle would let you

[Igifuno]

Well igi I'm considering it I might be able to do 2 or 3 days were I can do it. Going on cycle soon so might give it a go. The cycle won't be heavy though and I'll probably do major then minor to help with fatigue. Would you do it igi if your lifestyle would let you

Hell I would do a lot if my lifestyle allowed.. demading job, wife/kids.. it can be difficult balancing it all and getting in there once a day at times.

To answer your question though, I would certainly give it a try. What about rest? Will you have time to give yourself added rest due to the incresased energy expenditure?

[thunderthor70]

Many years ago I use to train twice per day I did this for around 1 year I would train in the mornings and late afternoons, in-between I would eat and sleep and do little of anything else. I gained an enormous amount of muscle tissue in such a short time but I was also doing really heavy short burst cycles with high dose growth hormone. Recently i am thinking of doing this again when time permits which would work out at around 3 days. Not sure if my body could still take the pounding but i was wondering if anyone else has done this or even considered it? Ive not done this for around 15-17 yrs so it would be very hard on my system but i am thinking of doing some bulking and i am sure i can fit this around my lifestyle.

Doesn't this go against the core principle of HIT? Train hard, heavy and intense in a short period of time then rest and recover to let the muscles grow.
That being said I know Ronnie Coleman trained twice a day.

What kind of split were you thinking if you did this?

[DCI]

Would love to try it but there is no way I could manage it without getting free money. I'd say you could manage it once you rested enough between training times as you probably already know

[marcus300]

Hell I would do a lot if my lifestyle allowed.. demading job, wife/kids.. it can be difficult balancing it all and getting in there once a day at times.

To answer your question though, I would certainly give it a try. What about rest? Will you have time to give yourself added rest due to the incresased energy expenditure?

I was in a privileged position when I was younger so I could do this but now it would be hard but I think I could do it. I would have a lot of rest due to my work I sometimes can't train for 3 days in a row so I'd have enough rest. Might try and work it out see if it's possible

[marcus300]

Doesn't this go against the core principle of HIT? Train hard, heavy and intense in a short period of time then rest and recover to let the muscles grow.
That being said I know Ronnie Coleman trained twice a day.

What kind of split were you thinking if you did this?

A lot of pros train twice a day. I would still do hit but do a major then minor and I'll be very anabolic and have plenty of rest days. Going to work it out and post what I can do

[Igifuno]

So essentially this routine would guarantee all muscle groups worked twice per week, correct?

[thunderthor70]

Your not training correctly or intense enough if you can train every day, you need to rest and repair the body and C.N.S. Your restricting your gains training every day but if your happy with them you carry on but I can guarantee if you trained with me for one session you wouldn't be training the day after.............

What about 4 hrs later ?
Just asking. I don't think the Marcus I know would train twice a day, could be wrong. Maybe the younger Marcus.

[thunderthor70]

A lot of pros train twice a day. I would still do hit but do a major then minor and I'll be very anabolic and have plenty of rest days. Going to work it out and post what I can do

Very interested to see what you come up with.

[marcus300]

What about 4 hrs later ?
Just asking. I don't think the Marcus I know would train twice a day, could be wrong. Maybe the younger Marcus.

I was younger and extremely anabolic and my lifestyle I had was totally training and eating. Not sure how I'd react now but might try it see how long I last. Going to work it out see if it's viable

[marcus300]

So essentially this routine would guarantee all muscle groups worked twice per week, correct?

Not necessarily with how I work and off days I have it would depend

[thunderthor70]

I was younger and extremely anabolic and my lifestyle I had was totally training and eating. Not sure how I'd react now but might try it see how long I last. Going to work it out see if it's viable

Maybe for a short period of time in conjunction with a burst cycle. Could have great results. I trained legs twice a week for about 2 months and saw good results. It got to be to much after that long but has been about three months thinking of trying it again for a month or so.

[marcus300]

Maybe for a short period of time in conjunction with a burst cycle. Could have great results. I trained legs twice a week for about 2 months and saw good results. It got to be to much after that long but has been about three months thinking of trying it again for a month or so.

My younger days were completely different than these days especially with cycles, I use to take huge cycles coupled with large amounts of gh so it could be different. I will see what happens and try it for a day or so I can train at 8am and then 7pm and eat and sleep inbetween. Will see how my work is planned out and work something out to fit into my cycle.......

[marcus300]

Not trained to day and wont be tomorrow either,

[Igifuno]

Been up to my eyeballs with work yesterday and today as well. Didn't make it in yesterday as planned and already severely delayed today. I'm determined to get in there.

What's keeping you from going Marcus, work?

[kelkel]

Well igi I'm considering it I might be able to do 2 or 3 days were I can do it. Going on cycle soon so might give it a go. The cycle won't be heavy though and I'll probably do major then minor to help with fatigue. Would you do it igi if your lifestyle would let you

I would only consider it if the secondary body part being trained in the second session was a small body part, such as Bi's or Tri's, calves, etc.

[kelkel]

My younger days were completely different than these days especially with cycles, I use to take huge cycles coupled with large amounts of gh so it could be different. I will see what happens and try it for a day or so I can train at 8am and then 7pm and eat and sleep inbetween. Will see how my work is planned out and work something out to fit into my cycle.......

This is what I'm jealous of. In my younger days I never did that. Wish it was available to me then.

[marcus300]

Been up to my eyeballs with work yesterday and today as well. Didn't make it in yesterday as planned and already severely delayed today. I'm determined to get in there.

What's keeping you from going Marcus, work?

Yes work mate, things are set in stone when I work and things can change suddenly so it can be a long day.

I would only consider it if the secondary body part being trained in the second session was a small body part, such as Bi's or Tri's, calves, etc.

Yes mate one major and one minor

This is what I'm jealous of. In my younger days I never did that. Wish it was available to me then.

That's unbelievable mate because your a true genetic freak of nature and the size and cuts you have is a credit to you. Ive done some heavy things in my past and experimented and I always wonder what I would look like if I hadn't.

[Cuz]

back day

[Cuz]

Yes you should implement them and see how you go. For some guys squatting just doesn't suit them but you should throw them in to see how things go.

what Marcus said, try them and see how you feel. go light at first.

[Rusty11]

Hey Bigg, I'm not Marcus but being 43 I might have some insight. Some days for any given body part I have to warm up a little more before I start hitting the heavy weights. On my first exercise I will do 3 or 4 lighter sets to get the blood flowing to the muscles and joints and then go into my feel set and working set. Being older it takes some time to get the body ready for the heavy sets. I've never seen you train but maybe your trying to use more weight than you should. Watching Dorians blood and guts made me realize lifting heavy doesn't mean you have to sacrifice form. If you watch him he never contorts his body or breaks form even on his last few reps. His movements are fluid the whole set. Concentrate on the muscle your working and the contraction not moving the weight and you can use a lighter weight and still fall in the6 to 12 rep range. This has helped me a lot the last year and I've had less strains and joint problems. Hope this helps Bigg.

This is great advice and has kept me from serious injuries...even though it's coming from a teenager(compared to me)

[kelkel]

And remember, you don't have to squat EVERY workout. Nor do they have to be first in your routine all the time. Bounce them around to keep them fresh.

[Igifuno]

I'm starting with pre-exhaust extension tonight followed up db lunges, then either squats or leg press not sure yet.

[RipOwens]

<img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=147549"/><img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=147550"/> That answer your question? Get under the bar! They work (assuming no back injuries)

Point made Kel ya damn beast!

[marcus300]

I'm starting with pre-exhaust extension tonight followed up db lunges, then either squats or leg press not sure yet.

Sounds similar to mine but I drop hacks in which I'm having a love affair with lately

[Igifuno]

Good idea and will be a nice switcharoo.. hacks it shall be.

[ghettoboyd]

I'm starting with pre-exhaust extension tonight followed up db lunges, then either squats or leg press not sure yet.

I always start with extensions to warm up my knees then straight to squats...pre exastion allows me to not have to go as heavy and still kill it...then leg press then stiff legged deads for hammys and out the door...

[Igifuno]

I always start with extensions to warm up my knees then straight to squats...pre exastion allows me to not have to go as heavy and still kill it...then leg press then stiff legged deads for hammys and out the door...

Yeah buddy.. I'll usually go right for the compound movements after warming up, but lately I've been getting a lot out of pre-exhaust. I want to switch it up a little bit today and am looking forward to seeing how heavy I can go with dumbbell lunges. .

[ghettoboyd]

Yeah buddy.. I'll usually go right for the compound movements after warming up, but lately I've been getting a lot out of pre-exhaust. I want to switch it up a little bit today and am looking forward to seeing how heavy I can go with dumbbell lunges. .

nice bro, lunges rock, they really make my glutes and hammys sore not to mention the sick quad pumps...love me the lunges, it like the forgotten exercise for legs...

[Black]

We're here for you DD.. you have a whole cheering section. Good lord that's some great progress man..

Thanks. Yeah, I was a pretty skinny dude. I remember I used to do the beginner workout outlined in Arnold Schwarzenegger's Encyclopedia of Bodybuilding when I was a teenager. 2 1/2 hour workouts and no knowledge of nutrition. Man, if I could go back with the knowledge I have now.

[Black]

The quest for more mass is never ending!!!

Looking good Dd, love the tats.

Thank you sir.

[Black]

Best of luck with your meet. I was into pw the early days but went into bb. How old are you

Thanks. I'm 32.

[thunderthor70]

I always start with extensions to warm up my knees then straight to squats...pre exastion allows me to not have to go as heavy and still kill it...then leg press then stiff legged deads for hammys and out the door...

I've been starting with extensions for about a year now and my knees are thanking me.

[kelkel]

Just got done legs myself. Spoke earlier of going with giant sets (ext-presses-squats) but soon realized it was too much time involved changing weight to facilitate squats on my own. So, after warm ups did two supersets of heavy extensions immediately followed by vertical presses. First set hurt. Second set half way through presses it felt like my legs were gonna explode. It literally cut my reps in half. Great feeling and recommend it to you guys. Throw a wrench into your training on occasion and shock the muscle.

Finished with one set of moderate weight squats to failure. Headed to seated curls and got one good set in. On the second set, mid way through the weight arm suddenly let loose on its own and fell, the machine jumped to my right and some weight fell off. WTF. Found one of the internal pins snapped. Hopefully I can order a replacement tomorrow, dammit. Finished with the usual calf stuff.

[thunderthor70]

Just got done legs myself. Spoke earlier of going with giant sets (ext-presses-squats) but soon realized it was too much time involved changing weight to facilitate squats on my own. So, after warm ups did two supersets of heavy extensions immediately followed by vertical presses. First set hurt. Second set half way through presses it felt like my legs were gonna explode. It literally cut my reps in half. Great feeling and recommend it to you guys. Throw a wrench into your training on occasion and shock the muscle.

Finished with one set of moderate weight squats to failure. Headed to seated curls and got one good set in. On the second set, mid way through the weight arm suddenly let loose on its own and fell, the machine jumped to my right and some weight fell off. WTF. Found one of the internal pins snapped. Hopefully I can order a replacement tomorrow, dammit. Finished with the usual calf stuff.

Sounds like you killed it Kell! I need to switch things up more often.

[Hazard]

I missed the gym today. Starting the new job this week has worn me out. I have tmrw off so ill go tomorrow and Friday. Gotta work sat.

Possibly up for a promo due to my physical nature ;-) I'm very pleased with that. Hopefully it pans out

[kelkel]

Way to go Haz! Always said the body building lifestyle opens doors for you. Walk on through brother!