Quote Originally Posted by gearbox View Post
Have you ran 900mg?
Have you ran deca at 600mg?
Adex is to low for deca?
Have you ran adrol at 100mg? How you going to handle lower back pumps? Bp??? Head aches?
Both these compounds are definitely hard to control the gyno.

Deca needs about 14 weeks to really do its job. It's slow acting. 10 weeks won't do much. And to go from a basically bulk and you will be holding a lot of water and switch to winn will do nothing for That and nothing for you at your bf%. I assume your 18%. Definitely not bagging it's just everyone thinks there about 15 and majority I see are 18+.
Yes you need hcg. Deca shuts you down hard.

It seems you kinda just threw some compounds together? Give us your last Cycle or so and we can go from there.
Also goals?
Gearbox you are contradictory, you first say 600mg deca are too much for a first deca run, then you say you need at least 14 weeks.
Deca is long ester, and its true that you need a long time to build up. But you can buid up deca the first day, by frontloading it injecting the whole vial at once. The problem is elsewere. Its a summer cycle. So we suppose you want to be ripped from the first weeks. What you are doing is more like a contest preparation, to look perfect the last days of your cycle, but you want to look great from the beginning, I suppose...