Self medicating TRT

[Test Rage]

Blood work 3

Testosterone -7.3 nmo/l (8.4-28.7)
Free Testosterone-9.64 pg/ml (8-27)
SHBG-13 nmo/l (17.3-65.8)

FSH-6.3 u/l (1.5-12.4)
LH-5.8 u/l (1.7-8.6)
Oestradiol-57 pmo/l (28-156)
Prolactin-188 mu/l (102-496)

Balls are clearly under-responsive. Which sucks because you have some healthy numbers except for your T. SHGB is low also. This is all because your balls are under producing. This means all you have is Exogenous T. I would work hard on diet and get rid of that anemic issue. Get yourself to your current peak potential with your diet.

If you are deficient in Iron you are almost guaranteed deficient in other minerals. This is not to be overlooked.

If you get no response from HCG administration then you are behind the 8ball because the testes are responsible for regulating/creating over a dozen hormones. That is the whole bigger point of running HCG while on TRT besides just "fertility". If you are Primary Hypo then you need to run your Test, AI, HCG, and also add Pregnalone and DHEA because you will become deficient in these as time passes if your balls arent putting out. Pregnalone is even more abundant than testosterone.

What I would do is blast HCG and get blood work to confirm how bad of a Primary hypo issue you have. Your balls are obviously working but not well. Your pituitary output looks good.

If HCG does nothing then you will need a TRT protocol with test, AI, HCG, Pregnalone and DHEA. Guys who are secondary Hypo would just need to take HCG instead of Pregnalone and DHEA because there balls will respond and make enough of these hormones. You will need extra Pregnalone and DHEA if you are Primary Hypo.

[energizer bunny]

Blood work 3

Testosterone -7.3 nmo/l (8.4-28.7)
Free Testosterone-9.64 pg/ml (8-27)
SHBG-13 nmo/l (17.3-65.8)

FSH-6.3 u/l (1.5-12.4)
LH-5.8 u/l (1.7-8.6)
Oestradiol-57 pmo/l (28-156)
Prolactin-188 mu/l (102-496)

Balls are clearly under-responsive. Which sucks because you have some healthy numbers except for your T. SHGB is low also. This is all because your balls are under producing. This means all you have is Exogenous T. I would work hard on diet and get rid of that anemic issue. Get yourself to your current peak potential with your diet.

If you are deficient in Iron you are almost guaranteed deficient in other minerals. This is not to be overlooked.

If you get no response from HCG administration then you are behind the 8ball because the testes are responsible for regulating/creating over a dozen hormones. That is the whole bigger point of running HCG while on TRT besides just "fertility". If you are Primary Hypo then you need to run your Test, AI, and also add Pregnalone and DHEA because you will become deficient in these as time passes if your balls arent putting out.

What I would do is blast HCG and get blood work to confirm how bad of a Primary hypo issue you have. Your balls are obviously working but not well. Your pituitary output looks good.

If HCG does nothing then you will need a TRT protocol with test AI Pregnalone and DHEA.

Thanks for your response mate......

Im not deficient in Iron, well thats what the doc says.....he doesnt know what is causing my low RBC, ive read that having low T levels can cause people to be anemic?

Ive not heard of running HCG to help with test levels, can you please give me some information on this? also say i did this HCG protocol would this make me feel better?

thanks again

[Test Rage]

I know many guys that have run HCG monotherapy but what seems to be the most popular and give the best feeling is Test and HCG. This is anecdotal but seems to be reported frequently. If I were you, I would do a restart. (I would prefer HCG at 200iu a day for 2 weeks and then Torem 120/120/90/60. dont forget AI). Then wait and get bloodwork.

If your balls did not kick on then I would start HCG monotherapy by doing 250iu of HCG 4 days a week EOD. I would get bloods done and see where the numbers stand. Obviously your LH FSH will go down from HCG usage, but we will see how well your balls respond. Make sure to run exemestane at 12.5mg eod at the start and adjust after bloods. Try to keep estrogen around 30.

If your balls just will not start producing then you know Testosterone is your only option left. And since you will have confirmed you are a primary hypo case then I would do HCG at 250iu twice per week and 150mg of test per week. Do exemestane at 12.5mg eod. Get blood work several times to lock down where you want your test and estrogen to be.

These are just starting points but generally you are a young guy and dont want to hop on test especially if your balls are under performing already and you envision having kids. Combination of under performing balls plus exogenous test does not help your chances. You can start by doing this stuff and fine tune your own protocol based on the bloodwork.

[Ccdiesel]

I know many guys that have run HCG monotherapy but what seems to be the most popular and give the best feeling is Test and HCG. This is anecdotal but seems to be reported frequently. If I were you, I would do a restart. (I would prefer HCG at 200iu a day for 2 weeks and then Torem 120/120/90/60. dont forget AI). Then wait and get bloodwork.

If your balls did not kick on then I would start HCG monotherapy by doing 250iu of HCG 4 days a week EOD. I would get bloods done and see where the numbers stand. Obviously your LH FSH will go down from HCG usage, but we will see how well your balls respond. Make sure to run exemestane at 12.5mg eod at the start and adjust after bloods. Try to keep estrogen around 30.

If your balls just will not start producing then you know Testosterone is your only option left. And since you will have confirmed you are a primary hypo case then I would do HCG at 250iu twice per week and 150mg of test per week. Do exemestane at 12.5mg eod. Get blood work several times to lock down where you want your test and estrogen to be.

These are just starting points but generally you are a young guy and dont want to hop on test especially if your balls are under performing already and you envision having kids. Combination of under performing balls plus exogenous test does not help your chances. You can start by doing this stuff and fine tune your own protocol based on the bloodwork.

Agreed, this would give you reassurance you are making the right decisions.

[energizer bunny]

I know many guys that have run HCG monotherapy but what seems to be the most popular and give the best feeling is Test and HCG. This is anecdotal but seems to be reported frequently. If I were you, I would do a restart. (I would prefer HCG at 200iu a day for 2 weeks and then Torem 120/120/90/60. dont forget AI). Then wait and get bloodwork.

If your balls did not kick on then I would start HCG monotherapy by doing 250iu of HCG 4 days a week EOD. I would get bloods done and see where the numbers stand. Obviously your LH FSH will go down from HCG usage, but we will see how well your balls respond. Make sure to run exemestane at 12.5mg eod at the start and adjust after bloods. Try to keep estrogen around 30.

Each Blood test costs me £300, i dont mind paying this to keep in check, is there any reason i shouldnt/cant just go straight into HCG monotherapy? miss out the restart as getting bloods after both will be costly and i may be no further forward. I had more bloods taken monday gone and should get results early next week, my thinking is to start HCG monotherapy ASAP i.e once i can afford to buy all the medication.



If your balls just will not start producing then you know Testosterone is your only option left. And since you will have confirmed you are a primary hypo case then I would do HCG at 250iu twice per week and 150mg of test per week. Do exemestane at 12.5mg eod. Get blood work several times to lock down where you want your test and estrogen to be.

These are just starting points but generally you are a young guy and dont want to hop on test especially if your balls are under performing already and you envision having kids. Combination of under performing balls plus exogenous test does not help your chances. You can start by doing this stuff and fine tune your own protocol based on the bloodwork.

in bold^^

Again thanks for your reply.....