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    I can't get past 11% body fat no matter what I do. I need the var to push me into the 8% range. This is just a way for me to boost what I have already accomplished myself via tons of training and cardio/diet. I am not going to do test regardless. I totally agree w/you but from what I have read anavar is mild in regards to suppression and I did not plan anything longer than an 8 week cycle. I do have pct on hand. I just wanted to know from someone who has ran a var only cycle if my PCT looks legit or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revnet View Post
    I can't get past 11% body fat no matter what I do. I need the var to push me into the 8% range. This is just a way for me to boost what I have already accomplished myself via tons of training and cardio/diet. I am not going to do test regardless. I totally agree w/you but from what I have read anavar is mild in regards to suppression and I did not plan anything longer than an 8 week cycle. I do have pct on hand. I just wanted to know from someone who has ran a var only cycle if my PCT looks legit or not.
    Your new and have no idea how to design a proper cycle or pct so when experienced users tell you that your doing it wrong you need to take note. Var will shut your natural test down and you do need test. Dropping BF is all related to your diet and cardio regime all you need to do is adjust this for further gains, its a constant changing environment which you have to adapt to keep achieving goals.

    You should run a small dose of test but if you wont listen no probs, all the best

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300 View Post
    Your new and have no idea how to design a proper cycle or pct so when experienced users tell you that your doing it wrong you need to take note. Var will shut your natural test down and you do need test. Dropping BF is all related to your diet and cardio regime all you need to do is adjust this for further gains, its a constant changing environment which you have to adapt to keep achieving goals.

    You should run a small dose of test but if you wont listen no probs, all the best
    Agree with the above.

    Also, milk thistle, tribulus, and flax oil are not the ideal supplements. Milk Thistle is inferior to NAC. Tribulus' efficacy is far over stated and waste of money. Krill oil has more omega fatty acid and greater bioavailability and has a broader impact on all lipid metabolism. Flax and fish oils only effect triglyceride levels and do not manage LDL and HDL as effectively as other supplements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300 View Post
    Your new and have no idea how to design a proper cycle or pct so when experienced users tell you that your doing it wrong you need to take note. Var will shut your natural test down and you do need test. Dropping BF is all related to your diet and cardio regime all you need to do is adjust this for further gains, its a constant changing environment which you have to adapt to keep achieving goals.

    You should run a small dose of test but if you wont listen no probs, all the best
    hey so since you were on the topic, a friend of mine is running 50mg var and taking 12.5mg of clomid every day and he has this whole arguement of how clomid boosts your natural test production. he doesn't pct he says he's pct'ing while on cycle. would you mind just explaining how much of a jackass he is lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vomariv View Post
    hey so since you were on the topic, a friend of mine is running 50mg var and taking 12.5mg of clomid every day and he has this whole arguement of how clomid boosts your natural test production. he doesn't pct he says he's pct'ing while on cycle. would you mind just explaining how much of a jackass he is lol.
    A big one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Docd187123 View Post
    A big one...
    have any scientific evidence as to why so i can present it to him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vomariv View Post
    have any scientific evidence as to why so i can present it to him?
    Scientific evidence for which reason? There's more than one. Is there scientific evidence to back up his ridiculous claims?

    an Anavar only cycle is a waste of suppression IMO. His HPTA will be suppressed and a weak dose of clomid isn't likely to do anything about that. HPTA suppression means no endogenous testosterone production and if you ain't making it or injecting it life can be pretty damned horrible lol. Furthermore, running a 'pct' as he calls it DURING the cycle defeats the purpose of
    POST-cycle therapy (PCT). When he gets off his recovery will likely be dragged out more than it needs to be bc he's missing an effective PCT strategy. What he plans on running tells me he has done zero research into it or ignored all the good advice or he just went to stupid ppl/forums for advice. That also usually means no HCG, no blood work, etc etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Docd187123 View Post
    Scientific evidence for which reason? There's more than one. Is there scientific evidence to back up his ridiculous claims?

    an Anavar only cycle is a waste of suppression IMO. His HPTA will be suppressed and a weak dose of clomid isn't likely to do anything about that. HPTA suppression means no endogenous testosterone production and if you ain't making it or injecting it life can be pretty damned horrible lol. Furthermore, running a 'pct' as he calls it DURING the cycle defeats the purpose of
    POST-cycle therapy (PCT). When he gets off his recovery will likely be dragged out more than it needs to be bc he's missing an effective PCT strategy. What he plans on running tells me he has done zero research into it or ignored all the good advice or he just went to stupid ppl/forums for advice. That also usually means no HCG, no blood work, etc etc.
    lol funny stuff, his way of looking at it is that since var decreases your natural production, the clomid will bounce back the natural production

    thanks for the info

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revnet View Post
    I can't get past 11% body fat no matter what I do. I need the var to push me into the 8% range. This is just a way for me to boost what I have already accomplished myself via tons of training and cardio/diet. I am not going to do test regardless. I totally agree w/you but from what I have read anavar is mild in regards to suppression and I did not plan anything longer than an 8 week cycle. I do have pct on hand. I just wanted to know from someone who has ran a var only cycle if my PCT looks legit or not.
    You are correct. Adding testosterone would suppress your endogenous testosterone even deeper, which would complicate your recovery, and it would also exacerbate side effects. The boys on this forum parrot the sacred words of body-building wisdom like cockatoos. Especially humorous is the fact that they frighten you with "TRT for the rest of your life", but then they recommend you injections of testosterone (which is one of the surest ways, how to achieve this problem). Bro-science in its archetypal form. Logic is not needed.

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