Any downside of maintainingntestosterone levels above the reference range?

[kelkel]

If I was not trying to put on mass

Jake that is really all nutrition related, not AAS. If it simply were AAS we'd all be pro BB-ers.

[Ryanmcd]

Jake that is really all nutrition related, not AAS. If it simply were AAS we'd all be pro BB-ers.

Perfect point, look at a lot of the pro's around that are natty, not that many but a few lol I think most people after 10 years of GOOD training and diet can get strong as hell. I would say unless you are over 400 bench 5-600 on squats and deads TRT can get you to this lvl, hell natty can get you to this level with a good diet. I was strong as hell with a test level of 200 but I did train hard and had a good diet and sleep. I think test is about 20-30% of it and diet / training = the rest.

I know a lot of people who are over a gram a week and I am bigger and stronger then them @ 800 lvl but I work my ass off and I have a plan and a goal, it all comes back to to having a case of fukarounditis.

[dreadnok89]

Perfect point, look at a lot of the pro's around that are natty, not that many but a few lol I think most people after 10 years of GOOD training and diet can get strong as hell. I would say unless you are over 400 bench 5-600 on squats and deads TRT can get you to this lvl, hell natty can get you to this level with a good diet. I was strong as hell with a test level of 200 but I did train hard and had a good diet and sleep. I think test is about 20-30% of it and diet / training = the rest.

I know a lot of people who are over a gram a week and I am bigger and stronger then them @ 800 lvl but I work my ass off and I have a plan and a goal, it all comes back to to having a case of fukarounditis.

I think str is either you have it or you don't. I see a lot of big dudes who aren't really strong

[Jake14]

Jake that is really all nutrition related, not AAS. If it simply were AAS we'd all be pro BB-ers.

If you are saying, if your diet is good you will put on mass at about the same pace whether your test is 900 or 1500, with a corresponding rise in free test, I wondered about that. To get a real signifcant mass increase from test, you need to run a cycle, understanding yo may not keep all of those gains,

[kelkel]

If you are saying, if your diet is good you will put on mass at about the same pace whether your test is 900 or 1500, with a corresponding rise in free test, I wondered about that. To get a real signifcant mass increase from test, you need to run a cycle, understanding yo may not keep all of those gains,

Basically yes. 900-1500 is really not that big of a difference. Now if you cycle and get to a 3-4K NG/DL level it's a different thing. But nutrition is still paramount. Like Ryan touched on, I know guys running grams a week but their diet is crap and they wonder why I look better even if only running TRT levels. It's really a lifestyle thing.

Keeping gains is the hard part for most guys. You're going to lose some but you do not have to lose all. Problem is too many guys lose motivation to train hard and eat right when off cycle. This quickly leads to a loss of LBM. Any new muscle you gain on a cycle has to be maintained with sufficient calories, otherwise it's just gone. It all comes back to nutrition.