Standard first dianabol cycle questions

[Gibbo2147]

Hey guys im brand new to this so will need a bit of help. Im 19 yrs old, been lifting for 3 years and sick of not gaining as much as i want. I weigh 78kg and am 190com tall.
Ive done some research on dr google and from what i gathered i made a cycle that i was thinking of doing. No idea if its right or not so any advice would be appreciated.
I was thinking of 30mg daily of dianabol with .25 of letrozole daily and 175mg of milk thistle every second day.
Any advice would be appreciated.
And yes im scared of needles atm so i want to do one cycle without them

[DrewZ]

First: http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-steroids.html

The only oral anabolic you need is food at your age my man, head over to NUTRITION RESOURCE FORUM they can help you make dem gainz

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hows your workout like?

[wicked442]

That is bad cycle(if you want to call it that). Way too young and dbol only? Milk thistle eod? Do ALOT more research and eat.

[Cuz]

Not a good idea. No cycling at 19.

[Gibbo2147]

Yeah i get what you mean man but theres only so much i can cook and eat with the little free time i have and not much access to a kitchen or microwave for lunch.

[Gibbo2147]

My workout is a standard chest and tri's, back and bi's, shoulders and legs once a week system.
Chest:
Flat bench
Decline bench
Incline bench
(All dumbells)
Dumbell flys
Machine flys

Tri's
Rope pulldowns
Straight bar pulldowns
Skullcrushers
Dips
Tricep pushups

Back:
Pullups
Lat pulldowns
A few machines i dunno what their called
Machine rows

Bi's
Barbell curls
Dumbell curls
Rope curls
Chinups

Shoulders:
Shoulder press
Side raises
Front raises
Rear delt machine

Legs:
Press
Squats
Deadlifts
Front squats
Curls
Extensions

All mostly 3 sets, 8 reps. And super set and burn set some of them

[gold43]

My workout is a standard chest and tri's, back and bi's, shoulders and legs once a week system.
Chest:
Flat bench
Decline bench
Incline bench
(All dumbells)
Dumbell flys
Machine flys

Tri's
Rope pulldowns
Straight bar pulldowns
Skullcrushers
Dips
Tricep pushups

Back:
Pullups
Lat pulldowns
A few machines i dunno what their called
Machine rows

Bi's
Barbell curls
Dumbell curls
Rope curls
Chinups

Shoulders:
Shoulder press
Side raises
Front raises
Rear delt machine

Legs:
Press
Squats
Deadlifts
Front squats
Curls
Extensions

All mostly 3 sets, 8 reps. And super set and burn set some of them

Dude!!! Plain and simple, if you don't have time to cook and eat a proper diet, you WILL DIE running a steroid cycle!!!!! And at that age your wee wee will shrivel up and NEVER go back to normal!! Your choice though! Good Luck!

[David LoPan]

Yeah i get what you mean man but theres only so much i can cook and eat with the little free time i have and not much access to a kitchen or microwave for lunch.

There are a lot of ways around that excuse. A crock pot, making a large portion of chicken and dividing them up, fruits and vegs, etc.

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My workout is a standard chest and tri's, back and bi's, shoulders and legs once a week system.
Chest:
Flat bench
Decline bench
Incline bench
(All dumbells)
Dumbell flys
Machine flys

Tri's
Rope pulldowns
Straight bar pulldowns
Skullcrushers
Dips
Tricep pushups

Back:
Pullups
Lat pulldowns
A few machines i dunno what their called
Machine rows

Bi's
Barbell curls
Dumbell curls
Rope curls
Chinups

Shoulders:
Shoulder press
Side raises
Front raises
Rear delt machine

Legs:
Press
Squats
Deadlifts
Front squats
Curls
Extensions

All mostly 3 sets, 8 reps. And super set and burn set some of them

how long have you been following that routine? when was the last time you made some changes, increase weight, try other rep range, rest period?

[DrewZ]

Plain and simple; if you don't have your diet in line with your goals you aren't going to get the results you are looking for . <-- period

Stick around, read read read, ask questions, learn, and apply it.

Welcome to the forum brother!

[Gibbo2147]

Haha damn first time im on a forum and im getting talked out of what i want to do.
Guess ill just have to wing it. Thanks for the advice guys!

[gold43]

^^another dumb ass!

Your gonna be sorry buddy! Your being talked out of it because the members here ACTUALLY have knowledge and experience. You can't even eat properly to gain weight! You think that Magic Steroids are gonna just make you a tank?? Good Luck with that!

[ppwc1985]

Dude at 19 if you cycle, and an oral only cycle you gonna mess yourself up for life. Don't do it, not worth it. At your age big mistake.

[DFRELAT]

Dude!!! Plain and simple, if you don't have time to cook and eat a proper diet, you WILL DIE running a steroid cycle!!!!! And at that age your wee wee will shrivel up and NEVER go back to normal!! Your choice though! Good Luck!

dying from him taking dianabol that's a good one! lol just shut up and stop giving your 'expert advice'!

[gold43]

dying from him taking dianabol that's a good one! lol just shut up and stop giving your 'expert advice'!

Oh yeah! What's your advice? He's 19 and doesn't know how to eat!! And his mind is set on AAS. Obviously we all know he won't die from Dbol!! But I guess you should tell him how to cycle it properly right?
It wasn't meant to be expert advice! Guess you missed that one tho?

[DiyGynoSurgeon]

Yeah i get what you mean man but theres only so much i can cook and eat with the little free time i have and not much access to a kitchen or microwave for lunch.

I cook KGs upon KGs of meat, rice, sweet potato etc etc etc every Sunday, enough to last for a good 5 days at least, then I freeze what I'm not going to eat straight away and refrigerate the rest

So on Sunday I will have all my breakfasts made, lunches made and mid snacks made for the entire week (takes maybe 2 hours all up) easy

Stop making excuses about time and get off the steroid buzz and back onto the diet buzz

Regarding free time, how many hours per night do you sleep (take 2 hours out of sleep one night per week and make your meals)

[DFRELAT]

My advice is do not judge people, give the proper facts and let them decide. Don't give him bullshit info like he's gonna die! Obviously he's got no good genetic to start with, no experience and no knowledge about training, eating and juicing, so should he take roids? NO! But if he's stupid enought to do it, well then it's his problem in the end! Don't post lies there's more than enough already as it is!

[gold43]

My advice is do not judge people, give the proper facts and let them decide. Don't give him bullshit info like he's gonna die! Obviously he's got no good genetic to start with, no experience and no knowledge about training, eating and juicing, so should he take roids? NO! But if he's stupid enought to do it, well then it's his problem in the end! Don't post lies there's more than enough already as it is!

Disagree!!! Big time!! At 19, you give him the proper facts and he WILL do it! As we can read he IS stupid enough to do it! You contributing your expert advice will lead him to a lifetime of trouble!!

[redz]

If you can't eat don't bother with any steroids.

[Docd187123]

dying from him taking dianabol that's a good one! lol just shut up and stop giving your 'expert advice'!

Eve though it's unlikely it is possible. My cousin had a patient who almost died from it.

[DFRELAT]

Idiots like you gold43 are the reason why steroids have such a bad rep, spreading lies and myths instead of sticking to facts! Point me to legitimate studies that directly points dianabol as being the direct cause of death, goof luck because there are none! The media and the idiot masses pick up lies like this and spread them all over afterwards. You wanna believe in Santa Claus and that wrestling is real, fine, but don't spread your bullshit lies!

[DontTaseMeBro]

Diet is the hardest and most important part of the equation. Almost everyone is motivated to go hard at the gym. That's a few hours a week. Diet is all day every day. You have to eat more than anyone imagines and it can't be haphazard. Please study up on the nutrition section. Getting your diet right will do more for you at this point than any AAS.

On the subject of steroids, do not start the dbol only cycle you are contemplating. Orals like dbol are very toxic to the liver. Most people use a pretty low dose for a short time during the cycle. Also, letro is not the correct A.I. and using milk thistle to protect your liver from dbol is about like using a straw to protect you from a water buffalo.

If you will spend a couple of years getting your diet right and training consistently while you learn more about steroids, you will have the knowledge and experience to determine if the reward is worth the risk. good luck.

[Docd187123]

Idiots like you gold43 are the reason why steroids have such a bad rep, spreading lies and myths instead of sticking to facts! Point me to legitimate studies that directly points dianabol as being the direct cause of death, goof luck because there are none! The media and the idiot masses pick up lies like this and spread them all over afterwards. You wanna believe in Santa Claus and that wrestling is real, fine, but don't spread your bullshit lies!

Ummm, steroids have a bad rep also due to people like us abusing them. It's very possible for dbol to cause death. As I stated earlier my cousin had a patient who almost died from health complications directly attributed to his dbol use.

[kelkel]

Diet is the hardest and most important part of the equation. Almost everyone is motivated to go hard at the gym. That's a few hours a week. Diet is all day every day. You have to eat more than anyone imagines and it can't be haphazard. Please study up on the nutrition section. Getting your diet right will do more for you at this point than any AAS.

On the subject of steroids, do not start the dbol only cycle you are contemplating. Orals like dbol are very toxic to the liver. Most people use a pretty low dose for a short time during the cycle. Also, letro is not the correct A.I. and using milk thistle to protect your liver from dbol is about like using a straw to protect you from a water buffalo.

If you will spend a couple of years getting your diet right and training consistently while you learn more about steroids, you will have the knowledge and experience to determine if the reward is worth the risk. good luck.

Well said. Just not sure about the "Straw-buffalo" thing!

[DFRELAT]

That's just it he didn't die and he MIGHT have gotten it from dianabol complications. There's never any direct link or they conveniently forget to mention that they were taking over 100mg a day non stop for the last 10 years, that they're alcoholics, on antidepressants, sniffing cocaine, using speed and ecstasy on the weekends or that there's a family history of liver diseases etc etc etc... And I'm supposed to believe you believe your cousin told you so? lol

[Docd187123]

That's just it he didn't die and he MIGHT have gotten it from dianabol complications. There's never any direct link or they conveniently forget to mention that they were taking over 100mg a day non stop for the last 10 years, that they're alcoholics, on antidepressants, sniffing cocaine, using speed and ecstasy on the weekends or that there's a family history of liver diseases etc etc etc... And I'm supposed to believe you believe your cousin told you so? lol

I'm supposed to believe you in that case? My cousin works for the biggest hospital in my state and has interned at Boston General as well as 2 other hospitals in NYC area. Tell me, who would you have me believe you or him ?

Yes he didn't die bc he was very lucky, the doctors and EMT staff were able to save his life. There's no 'might have', it was dbol.

[DFRELAT]

It's not about believing me or your cousin, it's about being skeptical, Look it up yourself, I dare you to find studies that proves dianabol caused death, look it up lol Don't rely on heresay and broscience!

[Cuz]

^^^^hey buddy...if you take too much of anything it can kill you. Dbol or tylenol lol. I wouldnt argue with Doc man he knows his stuff.

[DFRELAT]

Says it better than I do. look at 23 minutes and up....BIGGER STRONGER FASTER FULL DOCUMENTARY - YouTube You can see Ben Afflac get roid rage in it hahahaha

[Docd187123]

It's not about believing me or your cousin, it's about being skeptical, Look it up yourself, I dare you to find studies that proves dianabol caused death, look it up lol Don't rely on heresay and broscience!

What's their to be skeptical about? I was told what happened from someone who witnessed it and is a medical professional.

So you're telling me to look for a study in which researchers set out to kill patients with dbol? Do you not see a problem there?

Says it better than I do. look at 23 minutes and up....BIGGER STRONGER FASTER FULL DOCUMENTARY - YouTube You can see Ben Afflac get roid rage in it hahahaha

Funny you tell me find studies and avoid listening to broscience and hearsay and you follow it up with a movie.

[DFRELAT]

You can hear from medical experts alot more credible than your cousin! And cdc numbers wich you can go and check yourself, I'm done here, wasting my time. I would say read about epistemology but it's obviously over your heads.

[Docd187123]

You can hear from medical experts alot more credible than your cousin! And cdc numbers wich you can go and check yourself, I'm done here, wasting my time. I would say read about epistemology but it's obviously over your heads.

Not particularly, I would trust him more than most. Another funny thing to point out to you: you linked us to a movie which was funny in in itself but now you tell me to check cdc numbers. According to the video that you yourself posted, there was more than one death caused by steroids the particular year they looked at. I guess your link kinda proved my point, thanks.

[DFRELAT]

go and read the cdc site then come back to me, its not the only primary cause, its heart failures and shit like that for those 3, the steroids which they don't say the kind it is was only part of the problem. I dare you to find one reliable study, not by some crackpot, or made by your cousin lol that shows dianabol directly killed a guy. Show me one I DARE YOU! Until then all that your are saying is hearsay and broscience. Can you get that through your thick skull?

[Black]

go and read the cdc site then come back to me, its not the only primary cause, its heart failures and shit like that for those 3, the steroids which they don't say the kind it is was only part of the problem. I dare you to find one reliable study, not by some crackpot, or made by your cousin lol that shows dianabol directly killed a guy. Show me one I DARE YOU! Until then all that your are saying is hearsay and broscience. Can you get that through your thick skull?

Wow, nice attitude. It shows you can't even have a general conversation. Maybe you need to check your dosages.

Aside from your ridiculous posts, I'll tell you this. Giving steroid advice to an underdeveloped 19 year old is irresponsible. Since your steroid knowledge comes from a documentary, you may like to know that while the media obviously plays steroids out worse than what they are, they still have repercussions.

[kelkel]

go and read the cdc site then come back to me, its not the only primary cause, its heart failures and shit like that for those 3, the steroids which they don't say the kind it is was only part of the problem. I dare you to find one reliable study, not by some crackpot, or made by your cousin lol that shows dianabol directly killed a guy. Show me one I DARE YOU! Until then all that your are saying is hearsay and broscience. Can you get that through your thick skull?

You do realize that AAS use can/will exacerbate many negative events in our bodies, thus creating an elevated risk for problems. The heart is a muscle and steroids impact it over time. It seems as if you're looking for the "smoking gun" and won't accept that it's usually a compilation of issues created over time that lead to a cardiac event or otherwise life threatening issue. Primary causation is often times hard to pin point.

[DFRELAT]

Can't you people read I said he shouldn't be taking anything, my second post in here, scroll up and read it again. The point is lying and posting bullshit sides and risks like dying is not the way to go. Put up facts and if he still wants to take it well it's his problem.

[Docd187123]

go and read the cdc site then come back to me, its not the only primary cause, its heart failures and shit like that for those 3, the steroids which they don't say the kind it is was only part of the problem. I dare you to find one reliable study, not by some crackpot, or made by your cousin lol that shows dianabol directly killed a guy. Show me one I DARE YOU! Until then all that your are saying is hearsay and broscience. Can you get that through your thick skull?

Stop spreading your hearsay and broscience. I dare you to find studies that show those deaths were attributed to heart disease and not steroids. I DARE YOU!

[Docd187123]

Can't you people read I said he shouldn't be taking anything, my second post in here, scroll up and read it again. The point is lying and posting bullshit sides and risks like dying is not the way to go. Put up facts and if he still wants to take it well it's his problem.

And you blame the guy above you Gold for creating panic and widespread lies about AAS but what will happen when this kid hurts himself using steroids? Will that not make more of a negative impact than the member you bashed? Hypocrisy at its finest.

[DFRELAT]

Stop spreading your hearsay and broscience. I dare you to find studies that show those deaths were attributed to heart disease and not steroids. I DARE YOU!

All you have to do is look is up on the cdc website, not gonna do it for you! I'm still waiting for a study saying dianabol killed a guy, I double dare you again! lol