Standard first dianabol cycle questions

[Gibbo2147]

Hey guys im brand new to this so will need a bit of help. Im 19 yrs old, been lifting for 3 years and sick of not gaining as much as i want. I weigh 78kg and am 190com tall.
Ive done some research on dr google and from what i gathered i made a cycle that i was thinking of doing. No idea if its right or not so any advice would be appreciated.
I was thinking of 30mg daily of dianabol with .25 of letrozole daily and 175mg of milk thistle every second day.
Any advice would be appreciated.
And yes im scared of needles atm so i want to do one cycle without them

[DrewZ]

First: http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-steroids.html

The only oral anabolic you need is food at your age my man, head over to NUTRITION RESOURCE FORUM they can help you make dem gainz

[Gibbo2147]

Yeah i get what you mean man but theres only so much i can cook and eat with the little free time i have and not much access to a kitchen or microwave for lunch.

[David LoPan]

Yeah i get what you mean man but theres only so much i can cook and eat with the little free time i have and not much access to a kitchen or microwave for lunch.

There are a lot of ways around that excuse. A crock pot, making a large portion of chicken and dividing them up, fruits and vegs, etc.

[DiyGynoSurgeon]

Yeah i get what you mean man but theres only so much i can cook and eat with the little free time i have and not much access to a kitchen or microwave for lunch.

I cook KGs upon KGs of meat, rice, sweet potato etc etc etc every Sunday, enough to last for a good 5 days at least, then I freeze what I'm not going to eat straight away and refrigerate the rest

So on Sunday I will have all my breakfasts made, lunches made and mid snacks made for the entire week (takes maybe 2 hours all up) easy

Stop making excuses about time and get off the steroid buzz and back onto the diet buzz

Regarding free time, how many hours per night do you sleep (take 2 hours out of sleep one night per week and make your meals)

[AD]

hows your workout like?

[wicked442]

That is bad cycle(if you want to call it that). Way too young and dbol only? Milk thistle eod? Do ALOT more research and eat.

[Cuz]

Not a good idea. No cycling at 19.

[Gibbo2147]

My workout is a standard chest and tri's, back and bi's, shoulders and legs once a week system.
Chest:
Flat bench
Decline bench
Incline bench
(All dumbells)
Dumbell flys
Machine flys

Tri's
Rope pulldowns
Straight bar pulldowns
Skullcrushers
Dips
Tricep pushups

Back:
Pullups
Lat pulldowns
A few machines i dunno what their called
Machine rows

Bi's
Barbell curls
Dumbell curls
Rope curls
Chinups

Shoulders:
Shoulder press
Side raises
Front raises
Rear delt machine

Legs:
Press
Squats
Deadlifts
Front squats
Curls
Extensions

All mostly 3 sets, 8 reps. And super set and burn set some of them

[gold43]

My workout is a standard chest and tri's, back and bi's, shoulders and legs once a week system.
Chest:
Flat bench
Decline bench
Incline bench
(All dumbells)
Dumbell flys
Machine flys

Tri's
Rope pulldowns
Straight bar pulldowns
Skullcrushers
Dips
Tricep pushups

Back:
Pullups
Lat pulldowns
A few machines i dunno what their called
Machine rows

Bi's
Barbell curls
Dumbell curls
Rope curls
Chinups

Shoulders:
Shoulder press
Side raises
Front raises
Rear delt machine

Legs:
Press
Squats
Deadlifts
Front squats
Curls
Extensions

All mostly 3 sets, 8 reps. And super set and burn set some of them

Dude!!! Plain and simple, if you don't have time to cook and eat a proper diet, you WILL DIE running a steroid cycle!!!!! And at that age your wee wee will shrivel up and NEVER go back to normal!! Your choice though! Good Luck!

[DFRELAT]

Dude!!! Plain and simple, if you don't have time to cook and eat a proper diet, you WILL DIE running a steroid cycle!!!!! And at that age your wee wee will shrivel up and NEVER go back to normal!! Your choice though! Good Luck!

dying from him taking dianabol that's a good one! lol just shut up and stop giving your 'expert advice'!

[gold43]

dying from him taking dianabol that's a good one! lol just shut up and stop giving your 'expert advice'!

Oh yeah! What's your advice? He's 19 and doesn't know how to eat!! And his mind is set on AAS. Obviously we all know he won't die from Dbol!! But I guess you should tell him how to cycle it properly right?
It wasn't meant to be expert advice! Guess you missed that one tho?

[Docd187123]

dying from him taking dianabol that's a good one! lol just shut up and stop giving your 'expert advice'!

Eve though it's unlikely it is possible. My cousin had a patient who almost died from it.

[AD]

My workout is a standard chest and tri's, back and bi's, shoulders and legs once a week system.
Chest:
Flat bench
Decline bench
Incline bench
(All dumbells)
Dumbell flys
Machine flys

Tri's
Rope pulldowns
Straight bar pulldowns
Skullcrushers
Dips
Tricep pushups

Back:
Pullups
Lat pulldowns
A few machines i dunno what their called
Machine rows

Bi's
Barbell curls
Dumbell curls
Rope curls
Chinups

Shoulders:
Shoulder press
Side raises
Front raises
Rear delt machine

Legs:
Press
Squats
Deadlifts
Front squats
Curls
Extensions

All mostly 3 sets, 8 reps. And super set and burn set some of them

how long have you been following that routine? when was the last time you made some changes, increase weight, try other rep range, rest period?

[DrewZ]

Plain and simple; if you don't have your diet in line with your goals you aren't going to get the results you are looking for . <-- period

Stick around, read read read, ask questions, learn, and apply it.

Welcome to the forum brother!

[Gibbo2147]

Haha damn first time im on a forum and im getting talked out of what i want to do.
Guess ill just have to wing it. Thanks for the advice guys!

[gold43]

^^another dumb ass!

Your gonna be sorry buddy! Your being talked out of it because the members here ACTUALLY have knowledge and experience. You can't even eat properly to gain weight! You think that Magic Steroids are gonna just make you a tank?? Good Luck with that!

[ppwc1985]

Dude at 19 if you cycle, and an oral only cycle you gonna mess yourself up for life. Don't do it, not worth it. At your age big mistake.

[redz]

If you can't eat don't bother with any steroids.

[DontTaseMeBro]

Diet is the hardest and most important part of the equation. Almost everyone is motivated to go hard at the gym. That's a few hours a week. Diet is all day every day. You have to eat more than anyone imagines and it can't be haphazard. Please study up on the nutrition section. Getting your diet right will do more for you at this point than any AAS.

On the subject of steroids, do not start the dbol only cycle you are contemplating. Orals like dbol are very toxic to the liver. Most people use a pretty low dose for a short time during the cycle. Also, letro is not the correct A.I. and using milk thistle to protect your liver from dbol is about like using a straw to protect you from a water buffalo.

If you will spend a couple of years getting your diet right and training consistently while you learn more about steroids, you will have the knowledge and experience to determine if the reward is worth the risk. good luck.

[kelkel]

Diet is the hardest and most important part of the equation. Almost everyone is motivated to go hard at the gym. That's a few hours a week. Diet is all day every day. You have to eat more than anyone imagines and it can't be haphazard. Please study up on the nutrition section. Getting your diet right will do more for you at this point than any AAS.

On the subject of steroids, do not start the dbol only cycle you are contemplating. Orals like dbol are very toxic to the liver. Most people use a pretty low dose for a short time during the cycle. Also, letro is not the correct A.I. and using milk thistle to protect your liver from dbol is about like using a straw to protect you from a water buffalo.

If you will spend a couple of years getting your diet right and training consistently while you learn more about steroids, you will have the knowledge and experience to determine if the reward is worth the risk. good luck.

Well said. Just not sure about the "Straw-buffalo" thing!

[DontTaseMeBro]

Well said. Just not sure about the "Straw-buffalo" thing!

I was going to say that it was like using a waffle to protect yourself from a donkey, but not everyone knows how mean donkeys are or how much they love waffles. There seems to be some debate on whether or not dbol will kill you, but I guarantee you, DONKEYS WILL!!! I have studies.

[DFRELAT]

It's not about believing me or your cousin, it's about being skeptical, Look it up yourself, I dare you to find studies that proves dianabol caused death, look it up lol Don't rely on heresay and broscience!

[Cuz]

^^^^hey buddy...if you take too much of anything it can kill you. Dbol or tylenol lol. I wouldnt argue with Doc man he knows his stuff.

[DFRELAT]

^^^^hey buddy...if you take too much of anything it can kill you. Dbol or tylenol lol. I wouldnt argue with Doc man he knows his stuff.

Actually no! lol Look at this bullshit James Randi takes a whole bottle of homeopathic sleeping aid, pretty funny lol he does this regularly, hasn't died yet! Randi overdosing on homeopathic sleeping pills - YouTube

[Cuz]

Actually no! lol Look at this bullshit James Randi takes a whole bottle of homeopathic sleeping aid, pretty funny lol he does this regularly, hasn't died yet! Randi overdosing on homeopathic sleeping pills - YouTube

So basically what you are saying is you have zero credibility here? Because pulling a youtube vid is not a credible source. Thanks for the laugh.

[DFRELAT]

So basically what you are saying is you have zero credibility here? Because pulling a youtube vid is not a credible source. Thanks for the laugh.

Sorry to pop your homoeopathic bubble lol So if I would post a Stephen Hawking video on youtube about black holes it would not be a credible source for you then? A Neil deGrasse Tyson video on astronomy on youtube is not credible? Stop it already you're embarrassing yourself! What would be more credible then? A book where they say the exact same thing? lol

[Docd187123]

Sorry to pop your homoeopathic bubble lol So if I would post a Stephen Hawking video on youtube about black holes it would not be a credible source for you then? A Neil deGrasse Tyson video on astronomy on youtube is not credible? Stop it already you're embarrassing yourself! What would be more credible then? A book where they say the exact same thing? lol

If you were to link a YouTube video as a reference to a dissertation you're writing, would that be accepted regardless of whose video it was?

[DFRELAT]

What I find interesting in the abstract of the second link (Darke - 2014 - Journal of Forensic Sciences - Wiley Online Library) It says like I was saying yesterday about the 3 deaths on the cdc site were heart related, here they say: 'In 23 of 24 cases, substances other than steroids were detected, most commonly psychostimulants (66.7%).' Hmmm pretty interesting psychostimulants now that really messes up your heart pretty good, they don't say wich ones but here is a possible list: methanphetamine, cocaine, pseudoephedrine, caffeine, MDMA etc... So pretty much what I was saying yesterday, only 3 deaths from the millions of people in the US who take aas, pretty damn low (compaed to say aspirine or tylenol) and of those 3 deaths we can assume they weren''t just taking aas.

This nonsense has to stop I never said taking steroids is perfectly safe, just like any other medication they have side effects. I also never encouraged him to take steroidss. All I'm saying is to give proper advice, proper facts, not to judge and keep your morals to yourself, let people decide for themselves. It's their choice, their lives. Using bogeyman scare tactics is not the way to go!

[DFRELAT]

Says it better than I do. look at 23 minutes and up....BIGGER STRONGER FASTER FULL DOCUMENTARY - YouTube You can see Ben Afflac get roid rage in it hahahaha

[Docd187123]

It's not about believing me or your cousin, it's about being skeptical, Look it up yourself, I dare you to find studies that proves dianabol caused death, look it up lol Don't rely on heresay and broscience!

What's their to be skeptical about? I was told what happened from someone who witnessed it and is a medical professional.

So you're telling me to look for a study in which researchers set out to kill patients with dbol? Do you not see a problem there?

Says it better than I do. look at 23 minutes and up....BIGGER STRONGER FASTER FULL DOCUMENTARY - YouTube You can see Ben Afflac get roid rage in it hahahaha

Funny you tell me find studies and avoid listening to broscience and hearsay and you follow it up with a movie.

[DFRELAT]

You can hear from medical experts alot more credible than your cousin! And cdc numbers wich you can go and check yourself, I'm done here, wasting my time. I would say read about epistemology but it's obviously over your heads.

[Docd187123]

You can hear from medical experts alot more credible than your cousin! And cdc numbers wich you can go and check yourself, I'm done here, wasting my time. I would say read about epistemology but it's obviously over your heads.

Not particularly, I would trust him more than most. Another funny thing to point out to you: you linked us to a movie which was funny in in itself but now you tell me to check cdc numbers. According to the video that you yourself posted, there was more than one death caused by steroids the particular year they looked at. I guess your link kinda proved my point, thanks.

[DFRELAT]

go and read the cdc site then come back to me, its not the only primary cause, its heart failures and shit like that for those 3, the steroids which they don't say the kind it is was only part of the problem. I dare you to find one reliable study, not by some crackpot, or made by your cousin lol that shows dianabol directly killed a guy. Show me one I DARE YOU! Until then all that your are saying is hearsay and broscience. Can you get that through your thick skull?

[kelkel]

go and read the cdc site then come back to me, its not the only primary cause, its heart failures and shit like that for those 3, the steroids which they don't say the kind it is was only part of the problem. I dare you to find one reliable study, not by some crackpot, or made by your cousin lol that shows dianabol directly killed a guy. Show me one I DARE YOU! Until then all that your are saying is hearsay and broscience. Can you get that through your thick skull?

You do realize that AAS use can/will exacerbate many negative events in our bodies, thus creating an elevated risk for problems. The heart is a muscle and steroids impact it over time. It seems as if you're looking for the "smoking gun" and won't accept that it's usually a compilation of issues created over time that lead to a cardiac event or otherwise life threatening issue. Primary causation is often times hard to pin point.

[Docd187123]

go and read the cdc site then come back to me, its not the only primary cause, its heart failures and shit like that for those 3, the steroids which they don't say the kind it is was only part of the problem. I dare you to find one reliable study, not by some crackpot, or made by your cousin lol that shows dianabol directly killed a guy. Show me one I DARE YOU! Until then all that your are saying is hearsay and broscience. Can you get that through your thick skull?

Stop spreading your hearsay and broscience. I dare you to find studies that show those deaths were attributed to heart disease and not steroids. I DARE YOU!

[DFRELAT]

Stop spreading your hearsay and broscience. I dare you to find studies that show those deaths were attributed to heart disease and not steroids. I DARE YOU!

All you have to do is look is up on the cdc website, not gonna do it for you! I'm still waiting for a study saying dianabol killed a guy, I double dare you again! lol

[Docd187123]

All you have to do is look is up on the cdc website, not gonna do it for you! I'm still waiting for a study saying dianabol killed a guy, I double dare you again! lol

I'm triple dog daring you and we all know that's the king of dares! It cannot be topped except maybe for a quintuple dog, quadruple stray cat dare

[Black]

go and read the cdc site then come back to me, its not the only primary cause, its heart failures and shit like that for those 3, the steroids which they don't say the kind it is was only part of the problem. I dare you to find one reliable study, not by some crackpot, or made by your cousin lol that shows dianabol directly killed a guy. Show me one I DARE YOU! Until then all that your are saying is hearsay and broscience. Can you get that through your thick skull?

Wow, nice attitude. It shows you can't even have a general conversation. Maybe you need to check your dosages.

Aside from your ridiculous posts, I'll tell you this. Giving steroid advice to an underdeveloped 19 year old is irresponsible. Since your steroid knowledge comes from a documentary, you may like to know that while the media obviously plays steroids out worse than what they are, they still have repercussions.

[DFRELAT]

Can't you people read I said he shouldn't be taking anything, my second post in here, scroll up and read it again. The point is lying and posting bullshit sides and risks like dying is not the way to go. Put up facts and if he still wants to take it well it's his problem.