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    Quote Originally Posted by 2Sox View Post
    No, this is a very good point. It makes a lot of sense! Are you saying that statistics show that MOST men use an AI because the numbers include men who have resumed therapy again (which is a rather large number) - so the numbers are really not accurate?
    Correct, the majority of men on TRT are those in their first 6 months of TRT ever or those who have come back after a layoff of a year or more and are now once again in the first 6 months. So this obviously skews a lot of info greatly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Low Testosterone View Post
    Correct, the majority of men on TRT are those in their first 6 months of TRT ever or those who have come back after a layoff of a year or more and are now once again in the first 6 months. So this obviously skews a lot of info greatly.
    My own experience has been that I felt great when I began TRT but then the feeling started to fade. I realized I needed anAI. I took it for awhile. I found I needed less. Then I recently started DIM, Ziinc, Copper with no AI and I'm doing okay. (We'll see.) So I might just be the poster boy for what you describe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2Sox View Post
    My own experience has been that I felt great when I began TRT but then the feeling started to fade. I realized I needed anAI. I took it for awhile. I found I needed less. Then I recently started DIM, Ziinc, Copper with no AI and I'm doing okay. (We'll see.) So I might just be the poster boy for what you describe.
    One thing I've noticed is that it's very common for men to get used to feeling better. Some men feel fantastic pretty quick when they start TRT. I'd consider anything in the first 6-8wks to be very quick and maybe even somewhat attributed to placebo...not all of it but some. But in time, as men slowly get better they slowly become accustomed to it. This frustrates them, they don't have this "AWESOME" feeling anymore, which isn't a real feeling anyway. Think about it, when you were let's say 23yrs old, at the peak of your natural testosterone levels, did you feel awesome? No, you just felt normal, everything functioned like it was supposed to.

    Here's a good example of what I mean - when you get laser eye surgery, the idea is to have 20/20 vision, but you do not expect to be able to see through walls after your laser eye surgery. TRT on the other hand, many men (if they're honest) expect to be able to run through walls or even knock them down by breathing on them. The expectations for many on TRT simply aren't reality.

    Here are some interesting stats published by the European Society of Endocrinology in 2011:
    (note - all stats are assuming all things are perfect - patient is dialed in from day one, has no genetic abnormalities and assumes all men are the same - obviously this is impossible to recreate in real life but it's the best gauge we have)

    Libido: Increase should appear in 3wks, max increase 6wks
    Erection & Ejaculation: Improvements should occur in 26wks, max in 26wks
    Quality of life: Noticeable in 3-8wks, max 78wks
    Depression: Possible improvements 3-6wks, max benefit 30wks
    Body composition: 12-16wks, max benefit 52wks
    Bone mineral density: Improvements 26wks, max benefit 156wks
    Glycemic control: 12wks, max benefit 52wks
    Inflammation: 3wks, max benefit 12wks.

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