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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    LT what exceptions are there?
    I'd like to know the answer to this question too. It would be indeed ironic if Medicare and Medicaid were the only two that would cover.

    And I'd like to know the whole story on this.

    I'd speculate that Big Insurance won't stop here. What's next? No coverage for illnesses connected to obesity - like diabetes, stroke, heart disease, high blood pressure, high cholesterol? "We're not covering you because you eat too much."

    I'll bet the next news we'll be hearing about this are big time court challenges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2Sox View Post
    I'd like to know the answer to this question too. It would be indeed ironic if Medicare and Medicaid were the only two that would cover.

    And I'd like to know the whole story on this.

    I'd speculate that Big Insurance won't stop here. What's next? No coverage for illnesses connected to obesity - like diabetes, stroke, heart disease, high blood pressure, high cholesterol? "We're not covering you because you eat too much."

    I'll bet the next news we'll be hearing about this are big time court challenges.
    No no, see there is BIG money to be made due to Obesity, diabetes, blood pressure and especially cholesterol.

    With HRT it many times lowers blood pressure, causes weight/fat loss lower cholesterol etc. They dont want to back anything that works as a cure. They want to treat the symptoms. There is more money to be made that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovbyts View Post
    No no, see there is BIG money to be made due to Obesity, diabetes, blood pressure and especially cholesterol.

    With HRT it many times lowers blood pressure, causes weight/fat loss lower cholesterol etc. They dont want to back anything that works as a cure. They want to treat the symptoms. There is more money to be made that way.
    That clears everything up. ;-)

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    My wife works for an insurance company and this doesn't suprise me. I haven't started yet but I have the prescription and she's totally against it. I tried comparing it to high blood pressure and diabetes and she said there's no comparison. There are deaths from high blood pressure, cholesterol and diabetes. There are no deaths from low T. She was telling me that, based on the news, treating low T can cause deaths. She's going by the recent news about heart attacks at the VA.

    I told her about the symptoms and how it's connected to diabetes, altzheimer's (sp?), metabolic symdrome, artlesclerosis (sp?), high cholesterol, depression, and her response that they are connected but it's not proven. Her mindset is that anyone who has low T can change their diet, start exercising, lose some weight, stop smoking and drinking and be cured. I've noticed that alot of my friends believe that and even a few doctors. That's why I don't talk about testosterone outside of this message board. There's alot of misinformation about it and it looks like the misinformation is winning. I'm 6 feet, 195 lbs. I don't smoke, I don't drink, I exercise regularily and my diet is great but I still have low T. Her mindset, as well as my old docs, was that I was fine since my symptoms were mental (low libido, low energy, low drive, sleeping in the afternoon even though I slept 8-9 hours a night, lack of morning erections, etc.) My bloodwork was great (low cholesterol, good thyroid, good glucose, etc.), I just had low T.

    It took me a while to find my TRT doctor because many of the docs I ran into thought the same way she did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW550i View Post
    My wife works for an insurance company and this doesn't suprise me. I haven't started yet but I have the prescription and she's totally against it. I tried comparing it to high blood pressure and diabetes and she said there's no comparison. There are deaths from high blood pressure, cholesterol and diabetes. There are no deaths from low T. She was telling me that, based on the news, treating low T can cause deaths. She's going by the recent news about heart attacks at the VA.

    I told her about the symptoms and how it's connected to diabetes, altzheimer's (sp?), metabolic symdrome, artlesclerosis (sp?), high cholesterol, depression, and her response that they are connected but it's not proven. Her mindset is that anyone who has low T can change their diet, start exercising, lose some weight, stop smoking and drinking and be cured. I've noticed that alot of my friends believe that and even a few doctors. That's why I don't talk about testosterone outside of this message board. There's alot of misinformation about it and it looks like the misinformation is winning. I'm 6 feet, 195 lbs. I don't smoke, I don't drink, I exercise regularily and my diet is great but I still have low T. Her mindset, as well as my old docs, was that I was fine since my symptoms were mental (low libido, low energy, low drive, sleeping in the afternoon even though I slept 8-9 hours a night, lack of morning erections, etc.) My bloodwork was great (low cholesterol, good thyroid, good glucose, etc.), I just had low T.

    It took me a while to find my TRT doctor because many of the docs I ran into thought the same way she did.
    Very simply, besides every thing you mentioned above being true; low T causes low Libido and for a man that's a death sentence alone. Yeah women may not get it but ask her how she would like to have her Tits cut off? How womanly would she feel then. That's a fair comparison. If she could prevent it wouldn't she?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovbyts View Post
    Very simply, besides every thing you mentioned above being true; low T causes low Libido and for a man that's a death sentence alone. Yeah women may not get it but ask her how she would like to have her Tits cut off? How womanly would she feel then. That's a fair comparison. If she could prevent it wouldn't she?
    It's not worth trying to convince her. I didn't even waste time trying to convince my old doctor. She even argued with Dr. Barry Gordon when I went to see him. Dr. Gordon wrote a book called the Testosterone Syndrome. She has the mindset of a lot of my old docs. They feels that it's either a normal part of aging or just bad lifestyle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2Sox View Post
    I'd like to know the answer to this question too. It would be indeed ironic if Medicare and Medicaid were the only two that would cover.

    And I'd like to know the whole story on this.

    I'd speculate that Big Insurance won't stop here. What's next? No coverage for illnesses connected to obesity - like diabetes, stroke, heart disease, high blood pressure, high cholesterol? "We're not covering you because you eat too much."

    I'll bet the next news we'll be hearing about this are big time court challenges.
    You can bet that the congressional health plan covers it for all the dinosaurs there...

    Quote Originally Posted by BMW550i View Post
    My wife works for an insurance company and this doesn't suprise me. I haven't started yet but I have the prescription and she's totally against it. I tried comparing it to high blood pressure and diabetes and she said there's no comparison. There are deaths from high blood pressure, cholesterol and diabetes. There are no deaths from low T. She was telling me that, based on the news, treating low T can cause deaths. She's going by the recent news about heart attacks at the VA.

    I told her about the symptoms and how it's connected to diabetes, altzheimer's (sp?), metabolic symdrome, artlesclerosis (sp?), high cholesterol, depression, and her response that they are connected but it's not proven. Her mindset is that anyone who has low T can change their diet, start exercising, lose some weight, stop smoking and drinking and be cured. I've noticed that alot of my friends believe that and even a few doctors. That's why I don't talk about testosterone outside of this message board. There's alot of misinformation about it and it looks like the misinformation is winning. I'm 6 feet, 195 lbs. I don't smoke, I don't drink, I exercise regularily and my diet is great but I still have low T. Her mindset, as well as my old docs, was that I was fine since my symptoms were mental (low libido, low energy, low drive, sleeping in the afternoon even though I slept 8-9 hours a night, lack of morning erections, etc.) My bloodwork was great (low cholesterol, good thyroid, good glucose, etc.), I just had low T.

    It took me a while to find my TRT doctor because many of the docs I ran into thought the same way she did.
    Wow is she full of misinformation. Sorry you have to deal with that. It'll come full circle and haunt her when she actually needs added testosterone....
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post

    Wow is she full of misinformation. Sorry you have to deal with that. It'll come full circle and haunt her when she actually needs added testosterone....
    Good point. Ask her to explain to you what Menopause is and what can be done about it. Not tell her will it's just a natural part of aging and she should just deal with it.....

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    When asked to compute the number was 20 BILLION just in insulin and glucophage and ace inhibitors. You hit the nail on the head. Third month trt and i have cut out all diabetic meds minus glucophage and working my arse off to drop it soon via weight loss. It is not just facilitated by USA it is Big Pharma. Half the insulin sold int he USA is long acting and comes from Europe (Lantus) with much of the glucophage coming from there also.
    Quote Originally Posted by lovbyts View Post
    No no, see there is BIG money to be made due to Obesity, diabetes, blood pressure and especially cholesterol.

    With HRT it many times lowers blood pressure, causes weight/fat loss lower cholesterol etc. They dont want to back anything that works as a cure. They want to treat the symptoms. There is more money to be made that way.

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