First run with Deca

[brazuka]

The goal of this cycle is to pack on as much size as possible.

Week 1-6
600mg Npp
900mg Test E
800mg Deca
1mg Arimidex EOD

Week 7-16
900mg Test E
800mg Deca
1mg Arimidex EOD

Week 1-4, 8-12
Dbol 50mg ED

Pin Schedule Weeks 1-6
Monday Left Glute
2ccs Npp
1.5ccs Test E

Wednesday Right Glute
2ccs Npp
1cc Deca

Friday Left Ventro Glute
2ccs Npp
1.5ccs Test E

Sunday Right Ventro Glute
3ccs Deca

Pin Schedule Weeks 7-16
Mondays
3ccs Test E 0.5cc Deca Left Glute
3.5ccs Deca Right Glute

Using BD syringes so I'm able to fit 3.5ccs in one go easily which means only having to pin 2x, once a week once the Deca starts to kick in and I drop the Npp. I have test in my system as a base prior to starting this cycle so Test Prop will not be needed. I'm only using the Npp to kickstart the Deca. Dbol will be cycled 4 weeks on 4 weeks off at 50mg ED.

Tried to make things as simple as possible I could split the doses weeks 7-16 pinning twice a week say Monday/Thursday but shooting once a week shouldn't give me horrible sides due to the half life of the test and deca.

Stats
5'10
185lbs
8-9% bf

Cycle History
I have ran and have experience with the following compounds:
Test E, Test P, Equipoise, Tren Ace, Masteron, Npp, Dianabol, Anadrol

Not new to nandrolone but first time with Deca hoping it will go smooth with minimal sides. Never really had any bad sides with the compounds I have ran before. Thinking about front loading the deca the first week to get it going. Caber prami cialis viagra on hand if I run into problems in the bedroom during this cycle. If you have any suggestions on the pinning aspect and frequency on weeks 1-6 I'd appreciate it . Can't think of an easier way to do it due to the volume of oil needed for those 6 weeks as my npp is dosed at 100mg/ml.

[Back In Black]

Assume this is just an extension of your current 8 month cycle or however long it is?

[Mockingbird]

And how much do you want to gain in weight? by max?

[clarkey02]

You're 20 years old? Where I live I work as an emergency responder. There is this kid who goes to my gym, he's 21 and has been openly talking about his cycles for the past couple years. Last weekend we got a call to his apartment, he had a stroke. He may never regain normal function of the right side of his face and body.

But I'm sure that won't happen to you, right?

[brazuka]

And how much do you want to gain in weight? by max?

As much as possible but realistically looking at 20-25lbs which would put me at 205-210 under 13% bodyfat.

[< <Samson> >]

I don't think I'd try to load with NPP

I'd do something like 750mg test/ 500mg deca - 4 weeks of 50mg dBol

Right now, I think that will be my winter cycle with the addition of tren e

[AsEpSiS]

That's a lot of gear for a 20year old. I'd skip the NPP. That way you can save up cash for TRT after the cycle is finished.

[stilltheone]

As much as possible but realistically looking at 20-25lbs which would put me at 205-210 under 13% bodyfat.

brazuka, you don't need that much gear for your stats and goal, what you're looking to do can be accomplished with alot less than that. If you need any help/advice, feel free to ask

[TheGovenor]

Lower your test dose to half of your weekly deca dose and your sides should be non existent. That being said everyone reacts to deca differently. Control estrogen and you control prolactin. Let the stronger deca do all the work while the low test dose keeps willy working.

[Cuz]

Are we talking 800mg deca your first time?

[jdpeters]

I have heard keep test lower when running tren but not deca.

[scotty51312]

dude 800mg of deca and 600mg of NPP a week? U realize both are the same thing only with different esters? Are you trying to grow tits?. If so send us pics I enjoy a nice rack.

IF you need to run that much gear to grow, your diet must be absolute shit. put the gear down and learn how to eat.

[testluva]

Both NPP and Deca are Nandrolone/Progestin compounds. Just pick one. They both are the same only the ester is different. Why load up two of the same? Pick one only.

[brazuka]

dude 800mg of deca and 600mg of NPP a week? U realize both are the same thing only with different esters? Are you trying to grow tits?. If so send us pics I enjoy a nice rack.

IF you need to run that much gear to grow, your diet must be absolute shit. put the gear down and learn how to eat.

For the same exact reason people run test prop as a kicker alongside their test enanthate/ cypionate. I'm using it as a kicker I wrote that on the original post. I'm holding damn good size and lean as hell don't assume because this is not a 500mg/week cycle my diet sucks... far far from it. To put things in perspective I'm at 185lbs and my physique is 4 weeks out from a show all I have to do is suck out the water and I'm stage ready.

[< <Samson> >]

For the same exact reason people run test prop as a kicker alongside their test enanthate/ cypionate. I'm using it as a kicker I wrote that on the original post. I'm holding damn good size and lean as hell don't assume because this is not a 500mg/week cycle my diet sucks... far far from it. To put things in perspective I'm at 185lbs and my physique is 4 weeks out from a show all I have to do is suck out the water and I'm stage ready.

I believe it, 185 @ 5'10" I would be in the deep single digits also


But, I guarantee you - you don't need this much gear.



You got a pic?

[brazuka]

I believe it, 185 @ 5'10" I would be in the deep single digits also


But, I guarantee you - you don't need this much gear.



You got a pic?

Hey Samson check your inbox. I'm not that deep into the single digits but I'm holding good size at a low bodyfat. It was just slightly offensive, not to mention extremely ignorant for somebody to call my diet absolute shit just because my doses are not a *begginers first cycle dose. Don't even know why I responded to a guy who looks like he is just starting to get into shape but I'm not going there and I apologize for bringing it up I'm not trying to be rude to anybody. Just had to put it out there though.

[< <Samson> >]

PM'd bro


The doses are unnecessarily high though - they just won't do anything but give you side effects and problems.


It's growing into the dose. . . . . Like 500mg of test that I started with alone, does zero of anything to me now.

[Unrealone]

brutal cycle for your age...listen to samson... you should be able to put on 20-25lbs with a little more than 1/2 the test and 1/2 the dec ... you are going to waste gear running the doses you want... the dbol dose is fine for a month... you dont need more than that buddy and you are way too young to put yourself in a situation where you might need pills to get it up...

[Docd187123]

Hey Samson check your inbox. I'm not that deep into the single digits but I'm holding good size at a low bodyfat. It was just slightly offensive, not to mention extremely ignorant for somebody to call my diet absolute shit just because my doses are not a *begginers first cycle dose. Don't even know why I responded to a guy who looks like he is just starting to get into shape but I'm not going there and I apologize for bringing it up I'm not trying to be rude to anybody. Just had to put it out there though.

Didn't you criticize Scotty for assuming your diet was shit (which if you read carefully he didn't) but then make the assumption yourself that his expertise on the topics at hand are less than sufficient bc of his pic? Hypocritical if you ask me. Not only that but you don't know anything about the man. You don't know if he's coming back from an injury, maybe his goals aren't physique related, maybe they are but he wants mass right now and leanness at a later date, etc.

I dont know everything about the guy admittedly but I know enough to realize he's a wealth of information and an asset to the community. You're blinding yourself to it bc you took his presentation in a negative way and dismissed his valid statements. Calm down a bit and make sure understand he's trying to help.

For the same exact reason people run test prop as a kicker alongside their test enanthate/ cypionate. I'm using it as a kicker I wrote that on the original post. I'm holding damn good size and lean as hell don't assume because this is not a 500mg/week cycle my diet sucks... far far from it. To put things in perspective I'm at 185lbs and my physique is 4 weeks out from a show all I have to do is suck out the water and I'm stage ready.

I thought you were using it as a kicker but personally I think there are better ways to do it and there are a few other areas need addressing.

Finally, I ask you reconsider your present course of action. You laugh now but are still too young to understand the consequences of your actions years down the line. You'll go ahead and continue cycling anyway I bet and have some sort of response or thought to justify your actions. Just know this: you cannot LOGICALLY justify them to anyone but yourself.

Stay safe OP

[Stosh_112]

Regardless of ur age, the npp is too high. 2mg per body weight lb is the best from what ive seen. I understand ur reasoning with front loading npp till deca kicks in. I see u have experiences with a lot of compounds, including the almighty tren. Considering all that is true... 185lb is on the weak side with the compounds u have used. I dont know when u started, ur workouts, ur diet, or the age u started cycles. That being said u gotta check ur diet. If what u say is true about the compounds u ran i dont think anyone can sway u to stop. HCG,, time on time off, Ai, pct, and bloods is the reasponsible way to run.

[Back In Black]

Come on, I wanna see your cycle history laid out OP. You've been blasting for about 8 months now.

This is your second cycle.

One year ago before you started cycling you were 180+lbs at 12%. Now, after about 10 months of steroid (ab)use you are 185 at 8-9%.

Maybe I'm wrong but I'd like you to clarify so thes good people aren't being duped by lack of info.

[Docd187123]

Regardless of ur age, the npp is too high. 2mg per body weight lb is the best from what ive seen. I understand ur reasoning with front loading npp till deca kicks in. I see u have experiences with a lot of compounds, including the almighty tren. Considering all that is true... 185lb is on the weak side with the compounds u have used. I dont know when u started, ur workouts, ur diet, or the age u started cycles. That being said u gotta check ur diet. If what u say is true about the compounds u ran i dont think anyone can sway u to stop. HCG,, time on time off, Ai, pct, and bloods is the reasponsible way to run.

I've never heard this. Are you sure you didn't mean 2mg/kg of BW? If that's the case then that recommendation is based on healing injuries not necessarily for growth.

[scotty51312]

To the op,

My comments weren't meant to insult you. Great job on your progress so far even with gear it still takes work. Now, my actual advice would have been stop taking gear run PCT and see a doc and hope you haven't ruined your test production for life. If you don't believe the risks are there then I have a 24 year old nephew on TRT for the rest of his life that would disagree.

As for the AVI, that was taken 3 weeks out of rehab in 2009, and its a reminder for me of a commitment i've made. Yeah I do linger around 15-18%bf sometimes less sometimes more at 5'11" anywhere from 205-215lbs. But the thread isn't about me. So my advice still remains the same.

[Athlete127]

You my friend need to slow down. I don't think you understand what you're doing. But....you're gonna do what you want. So deal with the consequences.

[brazuka]

edited: double post

[brazuka]

brazuka, you don't need that much gear for your stats and goal, what you're looking to do can be accomplished with alot less than that. If you need any help/advice, feel free to ask

Thanks man I appreciate that. I'm getting my new diet plan written up for me before I start. I'm lean as hell with quality size, now that I've gotten that taken care of it's time to blow up nicely.

You my friend need to slow down. I don't think you understand what you're doing. But....you're gonna do what you want. So deal with the consequences.

Taken into consideration brother. Adjusted cycle no short ester kickstart or anything keeping it simple & easy 1.5g test, 1g deca, 50-100mg blue hearts ed 4 weeks on 4 weeks off. Should have my deca in by the end of the week along with my new diet plan.

[fit2bOld]

Thanks man I appreciate that. I'm getting my new diet plan written up for me before I start. I'm lean as hell with quality size, now that I've gotten that taken care of it's time to blow up nicely.



Taken into consideration brother. Adjusted cycle no short ester kickstart or anything keeping it simple & easy 1.5g test, 1g deca, 50-100mg blue hearts ed 4 weeks on 4 weeks off. Should have my deca in by the end of the week along with my new diet plan.

So after all the insistence your dose as to high you drop the NPP and up the test and deca?
Good luck with the sides.

[kelkel]

Taken into consideration brother. Adjusted cycle no short ester kickstart or anything keeping it simple & easy 1.5g test, 1g deca, 50-100mg blue hearts ed 4 weeks on 4 weeks off. Should have my deca in by the end of the week along with my new diet plan.

Still an unnecessary amount, but that's the younger generations "more is better" philosophy as they don't want to wait and actually work for gains over time. Op you'd be just fine cutting your latest iteration in half. And if gains are not made on "half" then the issue lies elsewhere.

Consider your health.

[DontTaseMeBro]

I used that same amount of juice all the time in my 20's; but I was injecting it in 700lb steers.

[Juced_porkchop]

I never use more them 400mg ew of deca IMO... 1g of test sure, but .. I would rec you chill out a bit personally.

[qscgugcsq]

Ok more gear will yield more result however their is diminish returns, 2x more aas may only yield 20% more results.

I agree that it is too much gear( no matter the age or the weight or BF%).

Saying that twice the amount wont yield more gains is false.
However, the side will be way higher and the risk wont worth the few more gains.

You alone can say if the risk worth it. But reducing the risk my half with only sacrificing 10-20% muscle gain worth to think about it.

Concerning your age and your past you are most certainly doomed to TRT when you come off Anyway...
Personnally I would say screw that and keep going.

But if you are going this road you gonna learn to play it safe, if not you will encounter some huge issue...