Used steroids as a teenager, now suffering low test as a 20 y/o. Restart failed.

[Ymcmb]

Find a Doc and get some help and advice.

All you guys seem to be lucky on here to get docs that didnt get their degree from a cereal box or are actually willing to listen and help.
Ive had 4 blood tests each with a different doc and all of them say 'yea its a little low but youre fine nothing we can do' i'd like them to try live in my damn head for a day and tell me its fine. Fuk doctors the only way im gonna fix this is to do it myself.

I have ordered all the stuff for a scally power pct, will it still work after all this time or is it mainly for straight after a cycle? Am i better off just jumpin on clomid long term say 4+ months and see if that helps?

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

All you guys seem to be lucky on here to get docs that didnt get their degree from a cereal box or are actually willing to listen and help.
Ive had 4 blood tests each with a different doc and all of them say 'yea its a little low but youre fine nothing we can do' i'd like them to try live in my damn head for a day and tell me its fine. Fuk doctors the only way im gonna fix this is to do it myself. YOU NEED A LOT MORE THAN BW AT 20 YOU NEED MANY MORE TEST RAN ! TRT IS A LAST RESORT NOT THE 1ST THING TO TRY OR HAVE YOU GAINED THAT MUCH KNOWLEDGE AT THE AGE OF 20 ? You could have many oter underlying issues besides low T ? They could be much more serious also ! YOU NEED TO READ A LOT MORE AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND ALL YOUR ISSUES BEFORE YOU SELF MEDICATE ! YOU ONLY JOINED THIS MONTH ? I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE YOU ARE WELL VERSED ON ALL THE VERY DANDEROUS PROBLEMS YOU COULD HAVE AND LOW - T WOULD NOT BE ON THE TOP OF THE LIST ? TUMORS, THYROID ISSUES, AND OTHER ISSUES YOU MAY HAVE CAUSED BY YOUR RECKLESS ABUSE ?

I have ordered all the stuff for a scally power pct, will it still work after all this time or is it mainly for straight after a cycle? Am i better off just jumpin on clomid long term say 4+ months and see if that helps?

90% 0f it is having enough wisdom to know when you find a good Dr ! Luck has nothing to do with it read and learn and you will know what to look for in a " good Dr ! "

Not saying you are not smart just a fact it is rather dificult to gain very much wisdom by the ripe ole age of 20 and read all the stickies and understand and you will not have as many questions

[Ymcmb]

Yeah but i dont have time to try every doctor in town. And theres only 2 endos where i live and they both specialize with diabetes or something and its a wait to see them.

What solution can a doctor give me that a bunch of guys who use gear all the time cant?

What i need to know is should i use scallys power pct, would a huge shock to the system approach still work this long after cycle? Or am i better off jumping back on the serm long term. I will feel so much better knowing my depression is from the clomid and i at least have 1000ng/dl test and not walk around feeling like an old man with my shrivelled nuts. Then hopefully if i come off after a long time my levels will be rebooted.

I just need an OK from someone who knows their shit that either of these methods will be ok to try.

[lovbyts]

Yeah but i dont have time to try every doctor in town. And theres only 2 endos where i live and they both specialize with diabetes or something and its a wait to see them.

What solution can a doctor give me that a bunch of guys who use gear all the time cant?

What i need to know is should i use scallys power pct, would a huge shock to the system approach still work this long after cycle? Or am i better off jumping back on the serm long term. I will feel so much better knowing my depression is from the clomid and i at least have 1000ng/dl test and not walk around feeling like an old man with my shrivelled nuts. Then hopefully if i come off after a long time my levels will be rebooted.

I just need an OK from someone who knows their shit that either of these methods will be ok to try.

But you have the next 60 years to be on TRT? As said it's for life once you start and also as said your numbers are not all that bad. Higher does not always mean better. I would keep doing more research, maybe run another PCT and keep looking for a doctor. Try and fertility doctor if not an endo but either way do not consider TRT until you have no choice and that is not for another year or two down the road of trying everything else.

[kelkel]

But you have the next 60 years to be on TRT? As said it's for life once you start and also as said your numbers are not all that bad. Higher does not always mean better. I would keep doing more research, maybe run another PCT and keep looking for a doctor. Try and fertility doctor if not an endo but either way do not consider TRT until you have no choice and that is not for another year or two down the road of trying everything else.

Solid advice above and from many of the other guys as well.

Note: Always post ranges with BW. We'd really like to know how low your LH & FSH panels came in at.

Op, sorry to hear of your plight. By chance do you have any BW from before you started cycling? That would be key in determining how much production was actually lost due to cycling. It's also always best to obtain full BW, not just specific panels as even though you're young many things can impact T levels and you could have several going on a once.

Yes, you can run a Scally Power PCT as mentioned and see if the results will remain. It can't hurt. But the best advice I could give you would be to seek out one of the top doc's in the country (Crisler, Shippen, Dach, etc.) and travel to them. Usually only one face to face appointment is needed and the rest can be virtual. Hell, even Scally will consult with you for a fee. You're young and have a long life ahead of you. Whatever time, effort and hardship it may be to see one of these guys it is entirely worth it. It's your health. Why keep guessing!

It's obvious your Hypothalamus and Pituitary are responsive to Serms based on your results. Serms, in short, are basically estrogen antagonists at the hypothalamus level. Clomid specifically blocks the estrogen receptor in the Hypo (tricks it) into producing more GnRH thus more LH & FSH. This hits your testicals and begins the process of testosterone production. They appear to be functional as well.

All that said, no one can answer the question as to whether it will last or if it's an effort in futility. Which is why more thorough BW is suggested to see if there are other variables effecting production or if ultimately your HPTA is damaged. But first and foremost seeing a great doc who understands hormones and this entire process. They are few and far between whether their title is Uro or Endo.

I wish there was a quick and to the point answer for you but unfortunately there isn't. You need to be patient and work through this.

kel