I stopped my trt 4 months ago here are my blood results

[kelkel]

A restart won't help if you're primary hypo. You simply need a modern protocol that includes closely monitoring your BW as well as blood donations if needed. On the correct dosage you very well may not even need to donate.

[vinny t]

A restart won't help if you're primary hypo. You simply need a modern protocol that includes closely monitoring your BW as well as blood donations if needed. On the correct dosage you very well may not even need to donate.

I was diagnosed with primary hypogonasism 1n 2010 due to previous androgen abuse and was put on TRT , would i definitely not be able to recover naturally?

I was considering doing a re-start the way i look at it is if it does not work i have nothing to lose and just go back on TRT , what do you think?

Thanks for you time and your comments

[vinny t]

A restart won't help if you're primary hypo. You simply need a modern protocol that includes closely monitoring your BW as well as blood donations if needed. On the correct dosage you very well may not even need to donate.

Can you look at my blood results that i have posted up , my estrogen has aways been in range since stopping trt except for my last blood test @ 16 weeks estrogen is below normal range, i know testosterone injections will raise my estrogen but do i not produce estrogen naturally , should it not be in range even though i have stopped trt ?

[kelkel]

I was diagnosed with primary hypogonasism 1n 2010 due to previous androgen abuse and was put on TRT , would i definitely not be able to recover naturally?

I was considering doing a re-start the way i look at it is if it does not work i have nothing to lose and just go back on TRT , what do you think?

Thanks for you time and your comments

Well, I'd be curious about the actual diagnosis of primary and how comfortable you are with it. When it was done relative to your last cycle at the time and was there any pct involved. Many doc's can misdiagnose hormonal issues especially when aas is involved. You can always try a restart or maybe a simple HCG Stimulation Test (google it) to see how your boys respond. If they don't then you are primary and need TRT. If they do respond then there's a possibility a restart could work.

Google the "Scally Power PCT Program" and read up.

Can you look at my blood results that i have posted up , my estrogen has aways been in range since stopping trt except for my last blood test @ 16 weeks estrogen is below normal range, i know testosterone injections will raise my estrogen but do i not produce estrogen naturally , should it not be in range even though i have stopped trt ?

Where is the BW? On another thread? Deadliftdog is on point with his answer regarding your estrogen. You do produce E naturally but we are all different. Many variables effect how much we each produce. Like DD said, E follows T. Make sure when you test E that it is a Sensitive Assay. If you use Labcorp I can give you the proper codes.

[vinny t]

Well, I'd be curious about the actual diagnosis of primary and how comfortable you are with it. When it was done relative to your last cycle at the time and was there any pct involved. Many doc's can misdiagnose hormonal issues especially when aas is involved. You can always try a restart or maybe a simple HCG Stimulation Test (google it) to see how your boys respond. If they don't then you are primary and need TRT. If they do respond then there's a possibility a restart could work.

Google the "Scally Power PCT Program" and read up.



Where is the BW? On another thread? Deadliftdog is on point with his answer regarding your estrogen. You do produce E naturally but we are all different. Many variables effect how much we each produce. Like DD said, E follows T. Make sure when you test E that it is a Sensitive Assay. If you use Labcorp I can give you the proper codes.

I had been using steroids on and off for about 10 years only sustanon deca and dianabol cycles i never ran a pct . I had finished off a sustanon 500mg deca 300mg a week 10 week cycle . 5 months later i felt low libido and i lost my ejaculate, i went to my GP told him i had done steroids and explained my symptoms , he did a blood test which confirmed low test and he referred me to an endo with these blood results.

testoterone 1.7 nmol/l (10.0-37.0) shgb 30 (11-71) fsh 28 (1.0-11.0) lh 12 (1.0-8.0)

I saw an endo 1 month later who told me i was shut down had did not know whether i would recover he mentioned i may still have deca in my system but there was no way of telling with blood tests and he said in his experience deca could linger for a long time , he ran some more blood tests which came back the same as above, he told me to come back again 3 months time and run bloods again.

3 months later i went back to see him he did some more bloods

testosterone 2.3 nmol/l (10-37) fsh 29 (1.0 -11) lh 12 (1.0-8.0)
estrogen 132 pmol/l (22-162)

My endo said there had been a slight improvement in testosterone but no much and we decided to put me on TRT which i have been on for the last 3 years .

So it had been about 8 months since my last course before going on TRT .

[kelkel]

I had been using steroids on and off for about 10 years only sustanon deca and dianabol cycles i never ran a pct . I had finished off a sustanon 500mg deca 300mg a week 10 week cycle . 5 months later i felt low libido and i lost my ejaculate, i went to my GP told him i had done steroids and explained my symptoms , he did a blood test which confirmed low test and he referred me to an endo with these blood results.

testoterone 1.7 nmol/l (10.0-37.0) shgb 30 (11-71) fsh 28 (1.0-11.0) lh 12 (1.0-8.0)

I saw an endo 1 month later who told me i was shut down had did not know whether i would recover he mentioned i may still have deca in my system but there was no way of telling with blood tests and he said in his experience deca could linger for a long time , he ran some more blood tests which came back the same as above, he told me to come back again 3 months time and run bloods again.

3 months later i went back to see him he did some more bloods

testosterone 2.3 nmol/l (10-37) fsh 29 (1.0 -11) lh 12 (1.0-8.0)
estrogen 132 pmol/l (22-162)

My endo said there had been a slight improvement in testosterone but no much and we decided to put me on TRT which i have been on for the last 3 years .

So it had been about 8 months since my last course before going on TRT .

Damn vinny. Your LH & FSH were working their asses off trying to get your boys to produce to no avail. That said I seriously do not see the point in a restart attempt. If anything and just to clear your conscience maybe do an HCG Stimulation Test (google it) as this will show in a matter of days if your boys will comply with demands, although I honestly doubt it.

Unfortunately it happens vinny and I think you may have to accept that TRT is your future. Just make sure it's a good protocol that will help keep your hematocrit in check.

[vinny t]

Well, I'd be curious about the actual diagnosis of primary and how comfortable you are with it. When it was done relative to your last cycle at the time and was there any pct involved. Many doc's can misdiagnose hormonal issues especially when aas is involved. You can always try a restart or maybe a simple HCG Stimulation Test (google it) to see how your boys respond. If they don't then you are primary and need TRT. If they do respond then there's a possibility a restart could work.

Google the "Scally Power PCT Program" and read up.



Where is the BW? On another thread? Deadliftdog is on point with his answer regarding your estrogen. You do produce E naturally but we are all different. Many variables effect how much we each produce. Like DD said, E follows T. Make sure when you test E that it is a Sensitive Assay. If you use Labcorp I can give you the proper codes.

I meant the BW on the first page of this post

[vinny t]

Well, I'd be curious about the actual diagnosis of primary and how comfortable you are with it. When it was done relative to your last cycle at the time and was there any pct involved. Many doc's can misdiagnose hormonal issues especially when aas is involved. You can always try a restart or maybe a simple HCG Stimulation Test (google it) to see how your boys respond. If they don't then you are primary and need TRT. If they do respond then there's a possibility a restart could work.

Google the "Scally Power PCT Program" and read up.



Where is the BW? On another thread? Deadliftdog is on point with his answer regarding your estrogen. You do produce E naturally but we are all different. Many variables effect how much we each produce. Like DD said, E follows T. Make sure when you test E that it is a Sensitive Assay. If you use Labcorp I can give you the proper codes.

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