On Cycle Pumps>Weight Used for Size. Care to call BS AAS vets?

[ghettoboyd]

working with lighter weights and trying to achieve full rom and muscle tearing pump is something foreign to most peeps at any gym I visit...for most its about the weight and ego, peeps do there 10 reps as heavy as possible and wonder why they arnt growing...I sometime ask them if they ever get a pump working out this way and most look at me like ive got 6 heads...if you don't get a crazy painfull pump how are you going to stretch the fascia and force growth?...

[davesah1]

working with lighter weights and trying to achieve full rom and muscle tearing pump is something foreign to most peeps at any gym I visit...for most its about the weight and ego, peeps do there 10 reps as heavy as possible and wonder why they arnt growing...I sometime ask them if they ever get a pump working out this way and most look at me like ive got 6 heads...if you don't get a crazy painfull pump how are you going to stretch the fascia and force growth?...

Exactly! and the mass amount of blood in the muscle has to some tearing of the tissue IMO. That shit burns so nice. But exactly kids love to ego lift and people love to hate on rich but I find that after he left mutant especially, he just a real dude giving real advice.

[base4291ball]

working with lighter weights and trying to achieve full rom and muscle tearing pump is something foreign to most peeps at any gym I visit...for most its about the weight and ego, peeps do there 10 reps as heavy as possible and wonder why they arnt growing...I sometime ask them if they ever get a pump working out this way and most look at me like ive got 6 heads...if you don't get a crazy painfull pump how are you going to stretch the fascia and force growth?...

Couldn't agree more!

I'm not scared to do higher reps and actually the last set of the exercise I do is always to failure. But I usually have the weight heavy enough where failure is usually the 8,9&10 reps of my set. When on cycle I up weight almost weekly for practically every exercise.

Doubt anyone cares about what I do but if you're NOT feeling the pump you obviously need to up reps if staying on that weight.

that's all IMO

~Base

[lovbyts]

working with lighter weights and trying to achieve full rom and muscle tearing pump is something foreign to most peeps at any gym I visit...for most its about the weight and ego, peeps do there 10 reps as heavy as possible and wonder why they arnt growing...I sometime ask them if they ever get a pump working out this way and most look at me like ive got 6 heads...if you don't get a crazy painfull pump how are you going to stretch the fascia and force growth?...

Ive had so many guys at the gym say to me, ask me, why is it I lift a lot heavier than you but you are 2x my size? It's hard to not roll your eyes because you know they wont believe you or they will get upset when you tell them their form sucks, they are resting WAY to long between sets and their diet is not what it should be.

[FONZY007]

Ive had so many guys at the gym say to me, ask me, why is it I lift a lot heavier than you but you are 2x my size? It's hard to not roll your eyes because you know they wont believe you or they will get upset when you tell them their form sucks, they are resting WAY to long between sets and their diet is not what it should be.

I've been told that before and say no I lift wayyy more than you, I just choose not to so I don't get hurt and I continue to grow.. He didn't believe me and I then impressed him with a 315 lbs military press lol

[lovbyts]

I've been told that before and say no I lift wayyy more than you, I just choose not to so I don't get hurt and I continue to grow.. He didn't believe me and I then impressed him with a 315 lbs military press lol

Ha yeah there is that too but when you have some kid who is looking like he is going to throw his back out or having some type of spasm while trying to curl 50 lb dumbbells you just have to shake your head.

I have not tried to max out in a long time. After 2 years since my shoulder surgery it's only now finally getting to where it does not ache even after a light workout.

[Docd187123]

working with lighter weights and trying to achieve full rom and muscle tearing pump is something foreign to most peeps at any gym I visit...for most its about the weight and ego, peeps do there 10 reps as heavy as possible and wonder why they arnt growing...I sometime ask them if they ever get a pump working out this way and most look at me like ive got 6 heads...if you don't get a crazy painfull pump how are you going to stretch the fascia and force growth?...

You grow the same way lifters have grown for decades ow without concerning themselves with the pump. Pump /= growth and isn't even a good indicator of growth. I'm not saying it's worthless as there is some evidence it may indeed help indirectly but to say you need a pump to force growth is not accurate.

[SEOINAGE]

You grow the same way lifters have grown for decades ow without concerning themselves with the pump. Pump /= growth and isn't even a good indicator of growth. I'm not saying it's worthless as there is some evidence it may indeed help indirectly but to say you need a pump to force growth is not accurate.

That is one of those things that always bothered me and would make me stop mid bodybuilder video or interview. The way they talk about the pump for growth.

I also remember the first time 15 years ago someone telling me that the fascia was a limiting factor in how fast you can grow, and will stop you from growing, I was skeptical then, I could see it limiting how fast you can swell up on synthol. K maybe now I should keep my mouth shut cause I could be wrong on a number of levels.

Same person told me I was probably at or close to my genetic potential... I weighed a whopping 145 lbs, needless to say hadn't even realized any true beginner muscle gains etc, it just took modifications to training and then the main component of food.

[lovbyts]

That is one of those things that always bothered me and would make me stop mid bodybuilder video or interview. The way they talk about the pump for growth.

I also remember the first time 15 years ago someone telling me that the fascia was a limiting factor in how fast you can grow, and will stop you from growing, I was skeptical then, I could see it limiting how fast you can swell up on synthol. K maybe now I should keep my mouth shut cause I could be wrong on a number of levels.

Same person told me I was probably at or close to my genetic potential... I weighed a whopping 145 lbs, needless to say hadn't even realized any true beginner muscle gains etc, it just took modifications to training and then the main component of food.

He probably had something that could help you get past your plateau also...
It's amazing how much food you can eat as a teenager that are empty carbs and calories.

[davesah1]

That is one of those things that always bothered me and would make me stop mid bodybuilder video or interview. The way they talk about the pump for growth.

I also remember the first time 15 years ago someone telling me that the fascia was a limiting factor in how fast you can grow, and will stop you from growing, I was skeptical then, I could see it limiting how fast you can swell up on synthol. K maybe now I should keep my mouth shut cause I could be wrong on a number of levels.

Same person told me I was probably at or close to my genetic potential... I weighed a whopping 145 lbs, needless to say hadn't even realized any true beginner muscle gains etc, it just took modifications to training and then the main component of food.

Pump can be a great indirect indicator of growth IMO, for example if your doing bicep curls and you cant do anymore and you have a minimal pump in your bicep something is probably going wrong.... form, ROM, focus, or too much/too little weight. I can get a pump from 6 reps or more provided I do the exercise properly, but high rep training does have its place in my book. I can really focus on my contractions in the 10+ range as oppose to 6-8. The heavier I go the more my mind drifts into getting the weight up because of how fast it becomes heavy. Glad this thread sparked so much input/personal experience.

[Docd187123]

That is one of those things that always bothered me and would make me stop mid bodybuilder video or interview. The way they talk about the pump for growth.

I also remember the first time 15 years ago someone telling me that the fascia was a limiting factor in how fast you can grow, and will stop you from growing, I was skeptical then, I could see it limiting how fast you can swell up on synthol. K maybe now I should keep my mouth shut cause I could be wrong on a number of levels.

Same person told me I was probably at or close to my genetic potential... I weighed a whopping 145 lbs, needless to say hadn't even realized any true beginner muscle gains etc, it just took modifications to training and then the main component of food.

That's why you should rarely listen to those guys lol. They really have no idea what they're talking about most of the time.

[kelkel]

You grow the same way lifters have grown for decades ow without concerning themselves with the pump. Pump /= growth and isn't even a good indicator of growth. I'm not saying it's worthless as there is some evidence it may indeed help indirectly but to say you need a pump to force growth is not accurate.

This ^^^. Guys, push-ups will give you a hell of a pump but how much muscle do you think you'll gain from them?

[Docd187123]

This ^^^. Guys, push-ups will give you a hell of a pump but how much muscle do you think you'll gain from them?

What a great avi Kel lol.

I can also get a pump taking some dbol and curling the pink dumbbells enough times

[davesah1]

This ^^^. Guys, push-ups will give you a hell of a pump but how much muscle do you think you'll gain from them?

There's actually one jacked ass mma fighter and he claims to only do body workouts. I think he said like 1000 push-ups for chest 10 sets of 100. If anyone can recall the name of the dude I'm talkin about let me know. He actually has a really big chest

[ghettoboyd]

You grow the same way lifters have grown for decades ow without concerning themselves with the pump. Pump /= growth and isn't even a good indicator of growth. I'm not saying it's worthless as there is some evidence it may indeed help indirectly but to say you need a pump to force growth is not accurate.

i hear you my friend but we will have to agree to diss agree on this as I've been training for roughly 20 years the last 10 consistently and although I change up my routine often I fell I get better results with more volume...the point I was making was most peeps never even attempt to use a more managae wait for which they can use full rom and get that intense mind to muscle connection and achive a decent pump instead they use to heavy a weight and in my opinion achive very little from it...that's just my opinion that a good pump will help stretch the facia and allow for more growth but I'm not a doctor I just know what works for me...that being said I also enjoy the pain but also incorporate Hitt training as we'll to mix thing up...to each there own bro...respect...

[Getlean007]

i hear you my friend but we will have to agree to diss agree on this as I've been training for roughly 20 years the last 10 consistently and although I change up my routine often I fell I get better results with more volume...the point I was making was most peeps never even attempt to use a more managae wait for which they can use full rom and get that intense mind to muscle connection and achive a decent pump instead they use to heavy a weight and in my opinion achive very little from it...that's just my opinion that a good pump will help stretch the facia and allow for more growth but I'm not a doctor I just know what works for me...that being said I also enjoy the pain but also incorporate Hitt training as we'll to mix thing up...to each there own bro...respect...

Respect, bro