Also those who report gains on cycle and kept gains after cycle, these weights are generally given after pct. what about 3 months after pct, but most will be back on again by then so kept gains means nothing, I would like to hear from those a year after cycling then maintaining naturally..I think those numbers would put most people off ever using. Steroids is a long term commitment where true progress is made by maintaining high test levels all year round. Anything else is just borrowing a few extra pounds for summer to look good.